Great! A classic AR piss fest!!!

Just an observation, nothing more. Have not shot an eland, have shot elk and a moose.

Have never used a solid bullet on anything, however I do feel that there are times/places/situations where a solid for the first shot on something might be appropriate.

Such as a shot in brush where the only clear target is the shoulders. A solid thru the shoulders, breaking one or both of them should slow the critter down long enough to get set up for a better shot.

That being said, any of the bullets mentioned, depending on the range, would probably break the shoulder that was hit and do plenty of damage to the internal tissue in the chest cavity.

Just my opinion, nothing more.

Hey guys, I received a PM from our newest troll artshaw where he signs off as "Larry" and it's quite amusing:

You keep up these hate filled rants and you are gonna stroke out.

As I said all I know is what I read. I rather doubt any of the 2000 pound Eland were ever put on a scale (my Elk was).

As for running me off the Campfire...... LOL. We have so many members on the CF you trolls have been rendered helpless.

Just as an FYI, we just bought an AR and Leupold over there and you dolts had no idea what was happening right under your cowardly noses.

Hope you've been able to "hook up" up there in the frozen North as I doubt you'll ever have the balls to come visit here.

I'm gonna make an asumption that unlike the other "maybe have a GED" trolls, you are reasonably bright.

Perhaps you can explain in plain English (absent the obscene rants) exactly why you little group of "men" are so consumed with hatred for anyone who does not toe your line and why you will resort to threats, lies, insults and more to attempt to achieve what you cannot ? What is the goal ? To a layman it looks like classic OCD behavior but, unlike some of you, I do not assume I can make medical diagnosis with no training or experience in the field.

Hope you noted the fellow who killed the Jurrasic Park Eland with a mere 375 and TSXs. Obviously didn't break it down with a double shoulder shot, so had he hit it (where ever he did) with a solid, it probably would have been lost.

Now you sit down and work on a calm rational answer for what you and the boys hope to accomplish.....okay ? your buddy, Larry

I believe that I have noticed some guy or his twin brother showing up in pictures posted by two or more different members. Just a coincidence I guess.

Guess any attempt to communicate with Jorge is useless. He goes to ignore.
Those of you who read my PM that he revealed ( a violation of site rules) "Private Messaging:
If enabled, Private Messaging topics are discussions where those invited may view and participate."
Please note it was my PM and I only invited Jorge to participate. No one has the right to pirate others' PMs and post them. It's also Spamming the thread.

You others might take note that my reasonable request was not answered.
He has told me in PMs that his goal is to drive me (and anyone else on his list) off the site.
Obviously I cannot post them without violating site rules.

Just no worth my time to deal with him.
Adios Jorge, wish you all the best.

Looks like the TX Eland hunt will come in at about 5 grand .... reasonable compared to the long expensive trip to Africa.

Apology for getting off topic and it might be noted that Harry Selby retired in 2000. Bullet technology changed a lot during his long career. I'm sure we can all think of numerous examples of "super bullets" developed since 2000 that are superior to solids designed before then.

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Originally posted by artshaw:

He has told me in PMs that his goal is to drive me (and anyone else on his list) off the site.
Obviously I cannot post them without violating site rules.

Sure you can Larry,you have my permission to post that and make sure you put in bold letters the part where you altered my PM. So are you no longer using your 45-70 Shooter login?

He is sure spreading himself around AR with lots of posts in his latest incarnation as artshaw - 148 posts in less than a month. He apparently has lots to say and plenty of time to say it.

I thought there was a position on multiple AKAs on AR? How about it George???

I believe "45-70shooter" (Larry Root) was banned....

Yet here he is again... Under another screen name. Typical behavior and modus operandi of the geriatric troll. Rather sad and pathetic.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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I used a 250 Sierra GameKing out of my .375 H & H when I shot my eland.

Oh Dear me! A Sierra bullet in Africa! I thought they would disentigrate on the plane flight!!!!!!!!!!

Man I just love those Game Kings! At the right velocity they just flat out KILL!

Yes JTEX, A Sierra Gameking. My PH told me that they definitely would not work and all they were going to do would be wound all the animals I shot. Too light and not well constructed enough. Killed everything I shot at with em. Tried em on elk here in CO and surprise, they also kill them. Decent performance.

jorge,
Thanks for "rooting out" the POSeur again.
"45-70 sh#tter" posted annoying BS early on in the 400 Whelen thread, then vanished for a while.
He then resumed posting the same BS, repeating himself, on the same thread, as new member "fartshaw."
He is about the most annoying troll to date, here at ar.com.
No redeeming social value whatsoever. At least sh#taway is good for some laughs.
Larry Root is just plain dull ...
He does not even know that eland bulls are much larger than bull elk, on average, as well as in the extreme ...
... and a TSX will not penetrate half as as far as a good FN solid on a Texas Heart Shot.
The TSX is a wonderful expanding bullet.
That is why it does not behave like a solid, and should not be relied upon to perform the job of a solid.

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I shot an eland with my 300 wby at 210 meausred yds, using 180 gr TSX. Walked exactly 4 steps before keeling over. Heart shot.

A portrait of Larry...

I hate to say but I've even shot two roe deer with solids in Germany. They weren't charging but for some reason they were the only cartridges my friend gave me for his drilling 16G/7x65R which he gave me to use when staying in a little Black Forest village. I was sent out to get a couple of deer for a Festival and only discovered the faux pas when arriving at the shooting area. Had to lung heart shoot of course so as not to destroy any meat and needed to head shoot one with an extra shot when it sat down but still head up watching me approach.

I think solids are illegal for hunting in Germany, deer and chamois anyway.

Back to CZ's original question.

I shot a Giraffe with my 450 No2 using North Fork FN solids and their Cup points, 450gr at a little over 2200fps.

The one cup point recovered had expanded some.

If they feed in your rifle they would be a good choice for follow ups, if you want increased penetration over regular expanding bullets.

Another thought would be to use a deep penetrating expanding bullet, like a Nosler Partition, Barnes X bullet, or a Fail Safe.

Solids? For eland? I would not think so except to put two holes for each shot--one in and one exit. I shot my eland with an old .500 bpe and a 450-grain cast bullet at 1800 fps. I would not expect to use a solid on elk or moose or grizzly. Hell, I don't think they are really needed for cape or water buffalo (and I've shot both with soft point bullets). Just my opinion, that's all folks.
Cal

Also I shot a cow eland for the meat in Texas, again with my 450 No2. The shot was about 40 or 45 yards, just behind the shoulder, slightly quartering into the opposite shoulder.
The bullet, a 480gr Woodleigh soft at @2150fps.

The bullet was recovered just under the skin.

Eland have very thick skin

CZ,

I would think your choice of 375 on eland would be just fine and you don't need solids for him, except for an end on follow up shot. Probably the best bet now days is the CEB Non-con as you'll get a combination of both soft and solid performance with that one bullet.

I've only taken one eland to date. That was with a 340WBY and 225gr TSX from about 100 yards. He limped 15 yards before piling up dead. The bullet did not exit from a lung shot angled into the off side shoulder. It's really the only animal, other than an Alaskan moose, that I've shot with the 340WBY where I felt the caliber and game animal were perfectly matched. Last year, I chased a grand old eland bull for a couple of days, planning to end the game with a 9.3x74R with the 250gr Non-con, but we never got the chance as we couldn't close the distance without getting detected.

Fairly hunted, ie. not on a game farm, you'll find eland hunting to be a proper hunt!

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