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One vote for total .

The part about a Trascho sitting on top of a 375 and surviving has a few holes in it.

ZM

Well let's see world records at 1000 for 10 shots from a bench with a high power target scope are in the 2-4" range. Some 5 shot are less than 2". Taking 4" at 1600m says the rifle would group 2.28" at 1000yds and .23" at 100yds.

While anything is possible by accident my vote would be

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ALF!

Yiu are over analyzing and being too cynical. I could duplicate that feat. All I would have to do is fire 10,000 rounds and count the best 4!


465H&H

It must have been one of those Nesika Bay Rifles.

Alf,
Didn't stay supersonic all the way, eh? Bummer.
Why would they publish such drivel?
If there is any truth to it at all it must have been "walked" onto a billboard at 1600 m with the aid of a spotter, then, as said by 465H&H, fired 10,000 times until 4 shots in 4 inches were found ... but why?

Was the rifle a rail gun? Even if it was, I don't think it's likely to be true.

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Maybe they meant to publish 4' instead of 4"?

Otherwise I think someone's yanking everybody's chain...

Well he would have need to be about 310" high at 100 yds. Assuming that he could use all of the elevation adjustment of around 50" he would still be 260" low. If the scope was centered to begin with call it 285" low.That is why there is a LARGE taper on the bases for 1000yd rifles. So he would have to aim at a point in space that would be 24' above a direct line to the target. Then repeat????

My vote is a 12" target. Shoot 100s of rounds until you get 10 on target and measure.

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Originally posted by Tex21:
Maybe they meant to publish 4' instead of 4"?

Otherwise I think someone's yanking everybody's chain...

I'm thinking they added a 0 to what should have read 160 m.

1600m it isn't possible. I own a 375 H&H.

When living in the US 15 years ago I read an article in a newspaper abouth a finding of an WW2 bomber on the moon. The following issue told the story how it got there.
My ol' grandpa used to say; "I don't belive anything of what I hear, and only half of what I see."

BPCR shoots (shooting .45-70s, .45-110s, etc, requires vernier sights, exposed hammers, standard competitive drill) shoot at 1000 yrds all the time, and live in the world of verrrryyyy loopy trajectories subject to slight breezes to very stiff winds. The bulls-eye is roughly 5' across, including 8, 9, 10, and x rings. There are all sorts of variations on globe inserts: circles with thick walls, thin walls, smaller circles, larger circles. The peep sight is usually adjustable with selectable apertures according to lighting and precision (smaller the peep, less angular error). But common sense doesn't always apply... Idea is to get the same amount of light all the way around the bull in the circle. A lot of what works best is just art. Lots of guys get most of their shots in the 9,10, and x rings, with the winners getting multiple x's. These guys work as a team, one spotting and the other shooting. A good shooter will trust his spotter to tell him how to move the sights for wind, how much to guestimate for elevation (head/tail winds), etc. The shooter is getting into this rhythm -- doing all the physical activity from setting sights, loading, shooting, blowing (using a blow-tube to soften the powder in the barrel, pushing a patch through), and starting over. Miss count, loose the rhythm, and you'll be off for the next shot. My friend, Don Hamilton, got two through the same hole early in his BPCR career -- he started BPCR late in life, too, after spending a lot of his life doing modern guns. For most guys, that's a dollup of luck -- + a ton of skill.

A friend of mine, who loves that kind of thing, and assembles such rifles from old actions, Badger barrels made by Ernie Stallman, communicated something of that bug to me, so I asked him to make me one of those rifles built on a Remington Hepburn action. I wish I had time to pursue this kind of shooting more -- but it takes lots of prep just to get out to shoot. The front sights are globe, rear is a long-post vernier. The front and rear sights are typically placed almost exactly 36" apart (1 yard). That means 1" at 100 yrds = 0.01" at 1 yard... very close to 1 minute of angle. If your drop is 5451" at 1600 Meters, you're looking at 3.11" of post - 311 x 0.01" above "zero" for your setting. For 3196.7", your closer to 1.83" or 183 * 0.01" on your vernier. I don't know of posts more than 3"; the 1.83" is quite doable.

However, the shooter of the .375H&H was using a (non target?) tasco scope... no globe, no post, just standard duplex crossed reticles (?). I doubt he could click in that much elevation on a tasco -- so he must have put his point-of-aim way-up-high-in-the-sky...

Dan

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So, it was a full 10 shots total that went into a 4 inch group at 1.6 kilometer range?

A new world record?

And the rifle was built on a K98 action? "K" for "Kurz" as in shorter than the standard M98?

I hope he wears bomb squad gear (full regalia) when he shoots.

Sounds like an April 1st issue of the magazine to me. Why else would someone write that kind of stuff?

I think their range finder had a glitch. Although, I am glad to here someone did it with a tasco scope on a k98 action. I kinda wonder how many people bought one of these super rifles. I remember once firing a .375" group at 600 yards in my factory Winchester .375 safari express, the world record held until I squeezed the trigger a second time....

John

Didn't you guys read the footnote in fine print?

"All groups were fired under controlled conditions in the author's imagination. Results with a real rifle fired by a real shooter in the real world may vary."

I think you guys are being a bit harsh and very skeptical.

Any reasonable, logical man would come to simple, honest conclusion that I came to.

We now know that Elvis is still alive and shoots a .375H&H. We also know where he lives!

I wonder if a Yeti did the ranging for him.

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A rifle 375 H&H custom built shooting 10 bullets into a 4 inch group at 1600m

1600 meters (1749,78 yards) is right at 1 mile. (1 mile = 1609.344 meters)

So, 10 bullets into a 4 inch group at 1600m out of a sporter rifle in .375 H&H????



-Bob F.

You guys are too critical, just admit it, that rifleman was a hell of a marksman. Imagine bagging a croc at over a mile , so much for stalking.

Dak

My 300 gr bullets go 2648 FPS. And tree shot group is about 1/2 inch at 150 yds. I don't know how much a meter is in yds. But I think it's more than a yd. 1600

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Originally posted by jro45:
My 300 gr bullets go 2648 FPS. And tree shot group is about 1/2 inch at 150 yds. I don't know how much a meter is in yds. But I think it's more than a yd. 1600

Really???????????

If the shooter was Ray, it's possible.

DB

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Originally posted by ALF:

A rifle 375 H&H custom built shooting 10 bullets into a 4 inch group at 1600m

Is that guy related to a certain person who used to post here on AR?

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Originally posted by Dungbeetle:
If the shooter was Ray, it's possible.

DB

Hell I am sure McBragg will claim a much tighter grouping, longer distance, swirling winds, and of course.......he did it with iron sights!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by BFaucett:

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A rifle 375 H&H custom built shooting 10 bullets into a 4 inch group at 1600m

1600 meters (1749,78 yards) is right at 1 mile. (1 mile = 1609.344 meters)

So, 10 bullets into a 4 inch group at 1600m out of a sporter rifle in .375 H&H????



-Bob F.

I don't have any experience with African rifle ranges but what I want to know is this. Why would he need to use a range finder on a rifle range, and how many rifle ranges go out that far? I've seen a few when I was in the army. We fired guided missiles on them, artillery ranges go out that far but then you don't have to be able to see your target with a howitzer.

If it is true he is the quite possibly the worlds best marksman.

Didn't you guys read the other footnote?

He killed 100 buffalo with that rifle, and all at 1,600 meters, too, dang it!

you tell that guy and all his witnesses to just put those crack pipes down and step away from them. Then please slip this nice white jacket and go with the nice men quietly.

JMHO

Rich

Well, that ain't Adobe Walls, and the shooter ain't Billy Dixon.

http://www.pan-tex.net/usr/p/pampa-hist/pa03000.htm

"... Quanah saw the tiny puff of smoke from the saloon window and saw the man with the quirt fall before hearing the rifle's faint boom. That ended the fight. Warriors scattered, totally defeated by a gun that could hit a man at a distance of a mile."

Dan

He would have needed at least a 30 MOA base to get the elevation needed to shoot that far. I have a 20 MOA base on my 6.5x284 and bullets are moving at 2960.

Who cares about drop what you have to consider is WIND.

Kyle Brown holds the 16.5 pound record for Penn Benchrest at 1000 yards. His group is 4.227 I think with 10 shots. He had a Nesika Bay action, to start with everything else custom also.

Does anyone know how much mirage you have to deal with at that distance?

Plus you have difference in bullet weight and a ton of other factors.

Shooting off Bags prone at that distance, Yea Right.

Thanks for a Good Laugh I needed it!!!

So you do all of this work on a rifle and put a $54 scope on it, they are on sale at Optics Planet, since they work so well for long range shooting, I think I am going to buy 9 or 10 and switch all of the Leupold, Zeiss and Burris over to them.

Maybe we can get a group discount and we all can switch over to them.

This specific article appeared back in the July 2005 issue of SA Hunter.

Must say I thought groupings like that over that long distances were only possible with sniper type of rifles and equipment.

Why speculate about it? Contact the manufacturers of this rifle - Mkonto Manufacturing cc - let they commit themselves on behalf of their client or alternatively allow their client to do so with them as witnesses of this whole story.

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Yiu are over analyzing and being too cynical. I could duplicate that feat. All I would have to do is fire 10,000 rounds and count the best 4!

I suppoe it could have happened - once - But, is it repeatable?? Not likely...(Hell, I couldn't even SEE a target that far away, let alone SHOOT at it!!)