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What length barrel would be best or optimum? The best contour. What sights would you reccomend? What style stock? It will be wood, checkering? Type of finish for both stock and metal? I would like ideas and opinions. Thanks, Jason Z Alberts “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you." – Samuel Adams | ||
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This should do it. https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9411043/m/853107278 Chris can answer your questions and then some on this subject. | |||
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I agree with 450-400 that is a nice looking rifle.. The 404 is a tough one as nobody builds a box for it on a std. action such as the M-70 or 98 Mauser, so feeding has always been the problem. Some profess they have them that feed, but 110% is probably doubtful.. I have owned many 404s and the best ones were original Mausers and a Jefferys.. I have been told one can use a 300 RUM box on a Win. M-70 and expect 110% feeding, but have not tried that, and am not fully convienced..I have heard to many "oh it works fine in my gun" then when subjected to gruelling tests they fail.. If you build a .404 then build it on original Mauser spects and have custom bottom metal built for it to those specs. build it on a std action, not a magnum action and you will have a much nicer, lighter rifle. The best modern day 404 is built by Harold Wolf IMO, and he makes his own bottom metal to specs, the other is D'Arcy Echols who also makes a 404 that will feed. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Jason: I have a Heym 404 Jeff. Go to Chris's website and look under bolt guns and you can see what it looks like. While not custom, this rifle off the shelf fits me as good as any rifle I have ever owned and some have been custom. The reason I tell you this is the proportioning of the rifle is very good. In Taylor's book, he speaks of Jeffery rifles as having "a thicker forearm" and thus, in the larger calibers, fit him better. I agree with that statement. Good luck with your gun....you will love the caliber. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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Sunny Hill will machine one of their boxes to work with the 404 Jeffery for an extra charge of $40 of some amount like that. | |||
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Not to disappoint anyone, but it will be built on a Ruger M77 (tang) rifle. I have spoken with the smith, who has done more than a few rifle in .404 and he believes it can be done and done well. I am thinking of a Case Colored action with bright blue barrel, in half octagon. I feel that will set it apart. The Heyms look nice, but I really like the old Ruger actions. I am likin' the information so far, keep it up! Jason Z Alberts “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you." – Samuel Adams | |||
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Get 26 inch barrels!  Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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I am not 100% positive but I beleive that I read on her this year in a post that the Ruger actions cannot be Case Hardened because of the type of steel or process by which it is made. The case coloring will cause the action to "move" and change tolerances. I have two Rugers a 375 and 458 Lott that I was interested in having this done to until I read the post. I am sure someone who knows for sure will come along and verify or correct me. You might search on the sinlge shot forum for Ruger #1, also. Good luck on the project....  6x NFR Qualifier NFR Champion Reserve World Champion Bareback Rider PRCA Million Dollar Club 02' Salt Lake Olympic Qualifier and an all around good guy! | |||
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I built mine on a M70 300RUM action. I kept the factory stock, shortened the forearm 2" & added steel cross bolts & Pac.Dec. pad. I went 23" #5 bbl. w/ a 1/4 rib & single standing express sight, banded fron & Leup. QR bases & rings. It comes in @ 10.25# loaded w/ an 8oz merc reducer in the butt. I like it's handling & wouldn't want a longer bbl. but I am only 5'-10". FWIW, I wouldn't use a Ruger tang safety. It's not CRF & I think your mag box wil be too short. A RSM could be done for sure. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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fredj338, The Ruger tang is a CRF. Yes, the mag box is going to be alterted, but I knew that going in. I am putting all my wants together now, then see what the GS says and what would work best. Jason Z Alberts “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you." – Samuel Adams | |||
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Live and learn lads! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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To true Ray when some one ask a question they often don't hear the answer because they have already decided they know the answer. Bill Member DSC,DRSS,NRA,TSRA A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -Mark Twain There ought to be one day - just one – when there is open season on Congressmen. ~Will Rogers~ | |||
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Jason, I have a tang safety M77 & it does have a claw extractor but not CRF, trust me or ask your gunsmith. If he doesn't know, then he shouldn't be building your rifle. Here is mine (sorry to the guys that have seen this too many times):  You can certainly spend the money & build one on what ever you want, but getting it to work 100% will be a challenge for a very, very good gunsmith. I've seen tehm built on M700, Mausers, M70 & CZ. Today, I would probably buy a CZ & have it reworked abit. Any other route is money baby.  LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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sactoller, I had a 270 win in the tang safety model 77 Ruger. It had a claw extractor but was not control round feed. I also had a friend that had one in 300 win mag. It was not control round feed either. Check to make sure. Hawkeye47 | |||
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Sorry, guys, that is my mistake not my GS. This is still fairly new to me. Jason Z Alberts “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you." – Samuel Adams | |||
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The German company Recknagel make three and four round boxes for the 98. | |||
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fredj, Nice looking rifle! Jason Z Alberts “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you." – Samuel Adams | |||
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Thanks Jason, I call her my 42cal varmint rifle. There are days when I can shoot sub moa groups & at 10#+ it isn't too bad off the bench. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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I have a call to my GS, to see what he thinks. Getting a MkII action, is not a big deal but I really like the tang safety. I was unaware, that they were push feed. I am now aware of it, and it was a learning experience, though some were more tactful then others. I currently have a Browning Safari Grade, .375H&H and it is a push feed model, and I have never had a problem with it. Fred, were is Cali are you? I was born and raised in So. Cal, lived 17 years in the Sacramento area. Jason Z Alberts “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you." – Samuel Adams | |||
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In the OC. I have a great gunsmith down in the Oceanside area. He's built, I think, (4) 404jefferys now on diff. actions. Mine was his first, but it is done right. Make sure your gs uses a Clymer reamer & gauges. They seem to give the best results as far as headspace goes. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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I grew up in TO did a lot of surfing down your way. Thanks for the info on the Clymer reamer and gauges, I will be sure request those. Jason Z Alberts “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you." – Samuel Adams | |||
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