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I said I was going to do it...here's what I wrote: ______________________________________________ Friends at Remington: Occasionally I write to you to get answers; help; request catalogs; make a point; or inform you of an error in the online catalog. Everytime, I remind you of my loyalty to the Remington product line and the fact that there are many collectors like me out there that wish all the best for Remington. This time, I'm writing to let you know that there is some genuine excitement regarding the latest offering in the new ZASTAVA actions, but with a few concerns as well. The main concern is that Remington is perceived by many rifle enthusiasts as dropping the ball on accurate information. The perception is that the catalogs, both online and regular, have errors that could only be made by people who don't really know about GUNS. In other words, the 'bean counters' and 'marketing people' are the ones responsible for offering the products rather than 'Gun People'. This tends to make Remington as a whole appear to be a lesser choice, especially in light of the new Mauser action rifles being offered. If you would, please find some knowledgable 'Gun People' to get in and fix the catalogs and get the new guns marketed in such a way that the enthusiasts out here will be clammering to buy them and touting how Remington 'made good' on their new products and marketing. A suggestion is to visit some of the Forums on the internet, particularly accuratereloading.com, to find out what is being said and what the Customer base is wanting from Remington. I am looking forward to purchasing yet another Remington rifle in the next year - the Model 798. I believe that there are a few more caliber and stock options that could be offered to make the rifle more appealing to a broader spectrum of hunters and enthusiasts. Please feel free to e-mail me regarding these ideas. Again, I thank you for all the assistance you've given me in the past and wish for your continued success in marketing these exciting new products. Sincerely, BusMaster007 _____________________________________ Please send your thoughts to Remington. ____________________________________________ Did I mention, "I REALLY LIKE GUNS"? "...I don't care what you decide or how much you pay for it..." Former FFL Dealer NAHC Life Member NRA Endowment/Life Member Remington Society of America Member Hunter in Training | ||
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BusMaster007, Don't get me wrong, I'm not pissing on your thoughts as to Remington. Hope this doesn't come out this way. I'm sure there must be at least one dumb ass bean counter at Remington that reguarly reads this site. He must surely have seen the many posts regarding the now infamous side by side 45/70. I, like many others, have E-mailed Remington many times, trying to get a release date for this gun. Each time, a report of, spring of 05, fall of 05, sometime summer of 06, and on and on. Why don't they just tell the truth. Something like engineering problems, safety issues, or whatever. If you do have any pull with whomever at Remington, please, just let them know, honesty is the best policy. BTW, I own many Remingtons, and look forward to owning a few more. Just make it easier to do so. Thanks, Roger QSL | |||
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Why would they replace their own jobs with knowledgeable people? New product... same attitude. Though the Zastava is making the actions... rest assured with Remington’s financial hands in the manufacturing they will only cheapen as the years go by. I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever. Take care. smallfry | |||
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Points well taken. On the BerettaForum.net, one of the Gentlemen at Beretta logged in and has been taking notes and offering advice as well as keeping the members informed. Good move. They've even given the members a chance at naming the new Beretta pistol... If Remington is indeed watching this site and others, then following Beretta's 'pro-active' approach would be a good thing. As for the reason why: BOTTOM LINE. PROFIT. With the lull provided by USRAC, Remington stands a good chance at upping their profits as well as their reputation. As Gun Owners, we stand a good chance at getting improved products and service by continuing to inform the MFG. with our input. Sounds good to me. ____________________________________________ Did I mention, "I REALLY LIKE GUNS"? "...I don't care what you decide or how much you pay for it..." Former FFL Dealer NAHC Life Member NRA Endowment/Life Member Remington Society of America Member Hunter in Training | |||
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For starters... Remington is at a point in which it almost can no longer make any firearm in the United States. And now they are importing. In fact you can see that Remington can/could no longer make the rifle it made every 5-10 years back. This is because they never invested in technology or new machines. As years went by the rifles got worse in fit and finish and more MIM and plastic parts were put on. They no longer make the ADL because they can’t make a profit off of it. They came out with the pressed together 710 and told the public... it was a blessing for them. Both Remington and Winchester have been spitting out new cartridges left and right... This is because they know it will boost sales in a short run. The 5 percenters will always buy a new cartridge... but is soon as the 5 percenters have bought the new cartridges and sales slump... Rem, and Win could careless if they supported the cartridge, ammunition or brass. Just stall tactics and house cleaning before folding up. The writing has been on the wall for years. I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever. Take care. smallfry | |||
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ATTENTION. This is not a personal attack... I've gotta ask: Where do you get this information?! Is there a source that says Remington is so inept at making rifles on U.S. soil that they'd be better at it making them somewhere else? As for importing the different guns...well, that's good marketing strategy. As a Consumer, take advantage of it! As for never investing in technology or new machines... again, where do you get your info? With the amount of Military & Police work they do, I hardly think they would be in business producing sub-standard equipment. In the last 5-10 years, Remington has produced a few interesting, new approaches to things other MFG.'s haven't even tried. Some were good, some weren't. The guns I've bought have all been finished just fine. The ADL is probably a 'non-seller'. People weren't buying blind magazine rifles. They quit making a product that wasn't selling. The new cartridges were an attempt to give the shooting world something to work with. Some were good, others were not. My .375 RUM may already be a Dinosaur. As for the writing on the wall, what else do you see? Again, this was not a personal attack, just something to take what you said and give more food for thought. ____________________________________________ Did I mention, "I REALLY LIKE GUNS"? "...I don't care what you decide or how much you pay for it..." Former FFL Dealer NAHC Life Member NRA Endowment/Life Member Remington Society of America Member Hunter in Training | |||
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Gents, Don't know about you, but, I've got a left handed short action, BDL, in 308 that shoots half inch groups with factory ammo. Can't ask for much more then that..... Roger QSL | |||
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ATTENTION. This is not a personal attack...I've gotta ask: Where do you get this information?!
No worries. I know because I have personally dealt with Remington’s employees, when they have left to other manufactures. I go to 100-250 different manufactures a year (though some several times) repairing and installing CNC equipment. Come to think of an earlier post... let me also send you a PM. I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever. Take care. smallfry | |||
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i think what some of you are trying to say is: that reminton uses stamped steel recievers and plain jane stocks. not alot of hand work is done by remington. thus the reason why you dont see prices for there older guns like the pre-64 model 70's are getting. does that make remington a bad rifel- not really. there into keeping cost down as most american companys are doing for there profits. winchester up untill the end, still did alot of hand work in the assembly process with is quite abit more expensive and harder to pass on the cost. i cant recall many rifles by winchester that didnt have some type of checkering on it, an the opposite for reminton- i cant remember any that had checkering. all in all we all have our own likes. i prefer rugers and winchester. even tho ruger needs to redesign there stocks so the recoil is not so sharp | |||
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PM sent, smallfry. Thanks for all the great replies. This is a great Forum. My only wish is that the Shooters continue to relay their perceptions to the MFG. and that the MFG. respect and address our concerns. Don't hesitate to contact them. ____________________________________________ Did I mention, "I REALLY LIKE GUNS"? "...I don't care what you decide or how much you pay for it..." Former FFL Dealer NAHC Life Member NRA Endowment/Life Member Remington Society of America Member Hunter in Training | |||
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