Just wondering.

I have thought about building a slug gun with a threaded barrel, chambered like a regular rifle, and projectiles seated normally in a brass case. It has not been done recently except by Ross Seyfried.

Still...I just have to know.

...Catter

Unless it was a bolt action shotgun I dont belive it would be able to withstand the pressures because in my thought I would think the pressures would be signifigantly higher. Ive thought about the same idea and it wouldnt be a shotgun anymore it would be a big bore rifle. Good Shooting

Wildcatter- Robgunbuilder and others are planning on building one using my 700 HE brass.A long belted case I make from BMG brass.The one on right in picture.

For Rob--Another few days Rob and we will be making them in quantity.Ed.

If you make a rifled bolt gun... and shoot 12ga metal cased rounds.... haven't you just built a 70+ caliber rifle /destructive device?

cas,

Sporting "purpose" exemption dude.

I belive that there was a comercial bolt action 12ga slug gun made several years back. I'm thinking that it was a Mossberg? Not exactly sure though. I don't think that you would even need the sporting purposes exemption as long as it could chamber and fire a regular 12ga round and the barrel was marked 12ga. You could chamber it for a 3 1/2" shell to really get some powder capacity. I just got some Brass 2 3/4" 12ga cases in today. I don't think they make them longer though. 50 BMG's are pleantiful and cheap though. where would you find an action that big to start from? I wonder what the mossberg action would take for pressure. I have an old one in the safe, but you have to be careful when working the bolt or it can get screwed up.

Well

I have seen a FN combi with a rifled 12 ga. The loaded ammo was 900 grains hard casts stoaked in brass cases.

The rifle barrel were 9,3X74R

/ JOHAN

Savage Browning Mossberg all make 12 gage bolt action threaded barreled 12 ga slug guns. There is no reason you could not use brass caseing in them but why. With some of the new sabot rounds pushing a 300 gr 45 bullet to 2000 plus. You have a 200 yard slug gun.

Hubel, how did you expand you 700HE cases after turning the belt? Fireform? did you have to anneal first?

Those Mossberg bolt action shotguns were bolt activated, alright, but don't get them confused with real bolt actions on the line of the M98, M70, CZ or even (shudder!) Rem 700. They are very weak, even more so than a Krag and not, repeat not suitable for pressures any greater than a normal 3.5" 12 ga. If you have to hunt with a shotgun in your state, stick with the market available slugsters. They're very accurate and, as pointed out above, can reach out as far as you ought to be shooting anyway. Now if you wanted to machine up your own version out of steel stock and just enlarge it to hold the shell and leave in all the features tham make the M98 or the M70 so desirable, you could really have a 12 ga. from Hell but please give two weeks notice before touching it off so I can sell tickets to the show.

LAR45-I first annealed BMG cases then used expanders in 3 steps to get to .620 from .510.
Then annealed again, and went to .700 with long expander.Then used my cartridge lathe to make start of the belt shoulder, with tool.Then swaged
case to size with special resize die made from
a 700 Nitro resizer, that I reworked.To get extra
diameter for 12 guage have a fifth expander for those cases.Ed.

Damn, Ed, that is some subtle and masterful machining! I hold my hat under my chin in awe and respect. The government should be glad you put that effort into reloading and not into bank robbery. Well done, that man!

Ed,

Can you give me a good link to your home page? The one that I am using isn't working. Thanks!

hubel-458,do you have a rifle for the 700HE?
Now we are getting into something fun!

DieselDude-We are in the process of rounding up
an action and barrel for load testing.Needs lots of dough to make it go faster.My internal
ballistics math already tells me what it will do,
and testing verifies it, shows how to get actions
to feed.Testing sets proper size for reamers and resizers.

Longbob.The website is www.gunownerstv.com.
It isn't a site about me or my cartridges
specifically. It is used to promote a Shooting
Sports TV Network---That I and others want to see
going.Ed.

I have seen the 12 ga.from HELL and it hangs on the wall in Patties Pawn Shop in Shelbyville,Tn.
It is a Model 97 Winchester with a 58" barrel.
The barrel wall looks to be 3/16th" thick at the muzzle.
It was built for Turkey Shoots by a gunsmith
in N.C.{name unknown}.
It would truely be hell to carry that gun in the field.
WC

Ed,

Thank you for the link. However, you need your own website! I like seeing the development of wildcats like yours. I think it is good for our shooting sports.

Free web space here:
http://www.fortunecity.com/

We plan on putting site about our cartridges
on with our TV project as soon as we get a little
time.We have plenty of space and it is with our
local ISP.Ed.

The original 12 guage from hell was a concept of mine that used a belted .50BMG case ( ala Hubel 458) and a 12 guage weight foreward bullet about 2000 grs. I wanted to try it in both a smooth bore barrel and possibly a rifled tube with std weight bullets( once I sorted out the legalities). The action will be a McBros repeater.I've done nothing on this as of yet!
Ed- put me down for 20 cases!-Rob

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Browning makes/made and A-Bolt 12ga.

Go to the "Tar-Hunt" site they have been making bolt action slug guns for a long time now in 12 and 20

Here is picture of the expanded 700 NE on the far
right in picture(Which makes 12 GA from Hell), with a 12 ga slug stuck in it.Of course Rob and others will use much heavier and longer bullets.First in picture is 458 Win, second 458HE, third is 550HE(Used to be 510HE),
fourth 700HE,and fifth 12 GA from Hell(which is
.729 bore)..Ed.