I think in Australia it would be the 375 H&H and by a fair margin.

What about America?

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
I think in Australia it would be the 375 H&H and by a fair margin.

What about America?

Not America but in SA it’s the H&H hands down. Majority of the 375 Rugers that are for sale here is the Howa model 1500 and they are quite cheap.

However, most South Africans would still buy a CZ550 or ZKK before the howa.

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Originally posted by MD375:

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
I think in Australia it would be the 375 H&H and by a fair margin.

What about America?

Not America but in SA it’s the H&H hands down. Majority of the 375 Rugers that are for sale here is the Howa model 1500 and they are quite cheap.

However, most South Africans would still buy a CZ550 or ZKK before the howa.

Also Howa in Australia.

Not sure but I have a feeling shooters are more likely to go a bit upmarket for a 375 such as MM70 or Sako. The CZ got the long magazine and seems to just go with the 375.

Around my house .375 H+H is THE choice.

I have no idea about the sales numbers of either. But it would be interesting to know.
I like and own both. But, have not used the H&H since acquiring the Ruger.
The Ruger to me is 375 H&H performance in a 338 Win size package.

I really like the 375 Ruger African that I have. I have not been fortunate enough to use it hunting yet though. Just shooting it at the range. Hoping to change that this year.

I have a P-14 Action and a 375 H&H barrel. I would love to have the barrel mounted but every time I go to have it done life happens and it gets put back on the back burner. I think though I am going to have it punched out to 375 Weatherby just because I think it's better than the original.

I don't think the H&H is losing any space in the sales...Nostalgia is a great thing..

Both caliber are excellent, A newbie should take a look at the Ruger, its the better design by a long shot..but I sure wouldn't trade a good H&H for one..but if I had no H&H, I would probably opt for a Ruger African in 375 Ruger..

I think the H&H sells best so far, but should be losing ground slowly is my guess..

My last choice would be a 375 IMP or WBy, they are too hard on most bullets, and Ive seen strange things happen with them with monolithics and super premium..Velocity is the beast on the really big stuff IMO..

I think the Ruger 375s in stainless/synthetic just scream out Alaskan rifle. For Africa I think a blued/walnut 375 H&H seems just about right.

I’ve yet to see a .375 Ruger show up to any of the ranges (in three states) that I’ve shot regularly at since its introduction. I have seen a few .416 Rugers show up and they are supposedly the harder rifle to get ammo for and less imported etc. Nostalgia vs novelty - h&h has nostalgia, .416 has more novelty than .375Ruger - .416 Taylor without a gunsmith bill and wait time etc

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The Ruger to me is 375 H&H performance in a 338 Win size package.

Except with 30 min work with a file and a new mag and follower a Ruger 375R action can become a 375 H&H action. Zero weight or action length to be saved by going with the Ruger cartridge in Ruger rifles vs the H&H, but you can buy'em from the factory so there is that.

I wanted a light stainless H&H so I had pacnor rebarrel a M77 300Win and bought the other parts from Brownells.

Bob

The 375 H&H will always be the queen and most used of african calibers and of heavy dangerous game around the world.

I too believe the 375 Ruger to be the better designed round. It allows a smaller action and is a bit more powerful to boot. On top of that, my Ruger African 375Rs are lighter than all of my 375H&Hs at 7.75lbs. I like both and have four 375H&Hs. As already stated, the nostalgia aspect is strong for the H&H!

I ‘feel’ the best hunting with my H&H in Africa, but I ‘like’ carrying my 375R the best...

I think lack of rifles slows down the 375 Ruger.

Wby Vanguard is in 375 H&H and their cheaper Synthetic Mar V is in 375 H&H.

Remington 700, M70, Sako only H&H.

I think it is hard to get a new case head size or different bullet diameter off the ground unless there are some real (or at least perceived) gains. 7mm Remington lacked the 277 bullet but much bigger case. The 338 Winchester offered same weight/configuration/cost as standard rifles.

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
I think lack of rifles slows down the 375 Ruger.

Wby Vanguard is in 375 H&H and their cheaper Synthetic Mar V is in 375 H&H.

Remington 700, M70, Sako only H&H.

I think it is hard to get a new case head size or different bullet diameter off the ground unless there are some real (or at least perceived) gains. 7mm Remington lacked the 277 bullet but much bigger case. The 338 Winchester offered same weight/configuration/cost as standard rifles.

All true enough but with the same head size and ability to easily fit in any standard length action, plus a slight ballistic advantage, the 375 Ruger has the same advantage over the 375 H&H as the 300 Win Mag has over the 300 H&H.
Both of them are still around and have loyal fans and are great rounds but the advantages are real and as sales show, obviously important.

I thin the 375 (and bigger) has two markets. One is those people who have a use for 375 and bigger and that use requires 375 and bigger. I can easily see how the 375 Ruger/Ruger rifle will have a lot of attraction.

The other market and I think the biggest market is those who simply like 375 and similar to play about with. 3tink 75 H&H in my opinion will be stronger here and doubly so b3cause of rifle availability.

With the 300 H&H and 300 Winchester I think a couple of differences. First the listed ballistics greatly favoured the 300 Winchester. Anyone who has loaded for both knows they are within spitting distance of each other. Also Winchester dropping the 300 H&H. 7mm Rmington would have also been a factor as I my memory is working correctly (doubtful these days ) its listed ballistics were 3260 wuth 150 grainers and 3070 with 175 grainers.

I also think the shorter and quicker bolt throw of both the 300 and the 458 Win played an important part. It's a minor difference and the vast majority of shooters will never use their rifle in situations where it matters but if it helps pick up an additional point on a rifle match or gives you a split second advantage when Something big and mean is rapidly bearing down on you, that split second seems important.