Am I right in thinking that this gun would be a disaster as far as feeding problems? A rimmed 600 NE in a bolt action? I like the price and the maker but don't think I want to get into a gun that's going to have problems, especially a DG rifle.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976525690.htm

I believe they have a slanted mag to accommodate the rim. Heym seems to know what they are doing so I would not be afraid of it. I had an opportunity to shoot one of their bolt guns in 500NE and it fed fine [same issue with the rim].

One of our Members owned a Heym .600NE, and never reported any feeding issues.
I believe that the Heym uses a single-stack magazine.

George

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Originally posted by fusino:
Am I right in thinking that this gun would be a disaster as far as feeding problems?

I don't there has ever been a Siamese Mauser customized to 45-70 that fed correctly. However, the Heym express rifle I owned in 600 NE fed beautifullly. It was a staggered feed system, with 2 in the mag box plus 1 in the chamber.

My Heym was extremely accurate, well balanced and a dream in all regards except for recoil. I am just not stout enough to withstand more than 3 rounds of .600 NE in a day, and I am too wimpy to carry a 15 pound rifle on a fast paced 15 mile stalk. So I sold the rifle. But I sure liked while I owned it.

Personally I think the price of that rifle in the ad is high, because one year ago you could get a new one for $13K. And you could get a beautiful Ryan Breeding custom big bore for $11K (www.rbbigbores.com). If they are willing to drop to $7K on the Heym, you should buy it.

^^Thanks for the input. The idea of only being able to take 3 rnds concerns me though. I have never shot any of the NE rounds, so I am a bit surprised the recoil is so severe. How would you say it compares to a 375 H&H? Double the recoil?

IIRC the 416Rigby is about double a 375H&H, where the 600 fits in I don't know but I'm guessing about double the Rigby.
www.handloads.com (among others) has a recoil calculator, you simply input the bullet weight & velocity along with the powder charge and rifle weight. (900gr bullet @ 1950fps and 165gr of powder should get you close)

The .600NE feeds fine out of the Heym. Rimmed cartridges actually work just fine in Mauser actions assuming the gunsmith knows what he's doing. I've fired that Heym and my .600OK with exactly the same load 178grs of IMR 7828 and a 900 gr woodleighs. Thats the light load in the .600Ok ,however, in the Heym I could only fire it three times before starting IV ibuprofen. It's a damn fine gun if you can get it under 9K jump on it I think they only made about 200 of them.-Rob.

Hehe, according to www.handloads.com and their recoil calculator:

.243 Winchester with 100 grain bullet, 7 lb. rifle - 10.98 ft/lbs recoil energy

600 NITRO with 900 grain bullet, 14.4 lb. rifle - 140.92 ft/lbs recoil energy

It's actually funny when you put it like that

That load chrono's ar 2150 fps. More like 165 ft/lbs. Ouch!-Rob

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Originally posted by fusino:
^^Thanks for the input. The idea of only being able to take 3 rnds concerns me though. I have never shot any of the NE rounds, so I am a bit surprised the recoil is so severe. How would you say it compares to a 375 H&H? Double the recoil?

After shooting the Heym .600 NE, you will not even notice that a .375 HH has gone off. Shooting the Heym .600 NE is about like driving a car into a brick wall at 25 mph (without an air bag). No joke - it's much like being in a car accident. I would hold the rifle VERY tightly against my shoulder, carefully squeeze the trigger, and next thing I would notice that I was looking almost straight up in the sky wondering where I was. Upon noticing a rifle barrel pointing into the sky, I would realize I had been shooting, and put the rifle down. The punch of the rifle would make me nauseous, and it took about 10 minutes to recover enough to fire the next shot. Sound like a .375 HH?

Part of the problem is that the Heym had its original pad which had hardened over the years. With a Pachmyr F990 pad and a couple of mercury recoil reducers in the butt, I think the Heym would have been manageable. But I am a wimp and there were elephants that needed paying for, so off it went.

By the way, my load was 159 grains Re22 and 900 grain Woodleigh solids.

I believe it was 500 grains' rifle that I fondled the day it arrived in the shop. NICE rifle but would clearly be just as unpleasant to haul around as it obviously was to shoot. If I was going to invest in such a heavy and brutally recoiling weapon, I think it would have to be a little more traditional in design.

Best,

JohnTheGreek

First of all the Heym has no Muzzel Brake. A good brake can cut recoil by 40%. Lousy stock design ( thats why it ends up with the bore straight up in the air ( I have pictures of it doing just that), Poor recoil pad ( 500 grs covered that) and no mercury recoil reducers in the butt and forearm. The .600OK I built solves all of those problems and makes the load just described recoil like a light 458 Lott. In the Heym if you were not properly acustomed to handling big kickers it could actually break a collar bone or your face bones. I shoot it once a year to prove I'm tough! despite that, it feeds reliably and shoots incredibly accurately. The Heym is well designed for handling rimmed cartridges and they are not inherently a problem in Mauser actions as the Siamese Mauser prover years ago.-Rob

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Originally posted by fusino:
A rimmed 600 NE in a bolt action? ]

As posters are begining? to realise, I don't
know much about much, but being brought up on
.303's SMLEs (rimmed, staggered) I have no worry about rimmed cartridges. When loading
single rounds it's natural to push the topmost
rim to the front of the one underneath.
Heavy recoil may have some effect I don't know
about though.
JL