This discussion is really interesting. Personally, I like the 375H&H. I have two RUM's in 300 and .338 and frankly they DON't feed as well as any run of the mill 375H&H AND I Built all those guns myself! It's total BS to believe that a non-belted round will feed any better than a belted one. Anyone who has REALLY played with rifle feeding knows that! Feeding problems usually involve improper magazine box design(this is the problem with the 404 Jeff based cartridges- anyone with a pair of rubber bands think remington got this right?)) and or ramp/rail incongruities and have nothing whatsoever to do with the presence or absense of a belt.
Cartridge capacity on the other hand is a very real issue. I have not bothered with a .375 RUM for that very reason. Now in a CZ550 the .375 RUM could be a really good cartridge( because the mag box can be opened up enough to properly feed it), but at what cost? The recoil is much greater than a 375H&H and second shot recovery is worse. Why bother? Go for a 470 MBOGO-Rob

Rob,

One thing with belted cases that might be issue, at least in theory, is that once the cartridge moves forward enough so that the belt of the cartridge being fed is no longer resting against the belt of another cartridge then it is almost like reducing the head size of the cartridge, as far as the magazine is concerned.

Mike

Quote By Holand465: Obviously you have not spent a lot of time examining custom rifles or rifles from makers like Rigby,Trevallion,Heilmann, etc. Any cartridge that does not have an appendage around it's waist so to speak will feed smoother. Of course if the only rifles you are familiar with is Winchester or Remington, I cannot enlighten you!

Now I am a little confused about this quote... Is it that you cannot "enlighten" us because you know nothing about Winchesters and Remingtons, or is it that you are not knowledgable enough to understand and convey why the Rigbys, Trevallions, and Heilmanns you study in such detail, feed well? Quite frankly the statement suggests a "class" system of seperating shooters with well feeding guns and on poor feeding ones... you might want to think about that one, for multiple reasons.

Rob:
Did you go to the Cow Palace today?
s

Ovis: It takes a bore bear a long time to get to volkswagen size. They, like elephants, have varying intelligence, tempers, vindictiveness, etc. In other words, they have a personality, and intelligence that varies quite a bit.
Ask a couple of guys around here about having bears raid their camps, and how successful they are at driving em off, and if they come back or not...

Friend just moved to Wyoming again. Swears they not only know what a rifle is, but when it's hunting season.

Many have said the same of whitetail deer, elephant, etc.

Don't underestimate your prey...

Saeed has a shot on a Duiker I believe, at 275 yards, quartering away, with a 375 H&H in the archives. If someone can do that with the H&H, I see no reason for the rum.

If shot placement is the most important thing, then use the H&H and PRACTICE until you can hit anything you should shoot at.

If the 375 won't handle it, the logical step is the 416 Rigby.

Frankly, for hunting, in almost all cases, it's plenty at any range. Just hit your target.

If you want to go alone into the scrub in Africa, after a cape buffalo bachelor bull, then start thinking about a DGR with serious stopping power.

What's big enough for that experience? It sure isn't a 375 Rum...

I'm with Rob. a 470 sounds good, 458 Lott, or the 500A2.

If I'm going to give up all those rounds, I want a SERIOUS DGR bullet.

s

[ 03-17-2003, 09:21: Message edited by: Socrates ]

People who think hunting coastal brownies at 400 yards is either, (a) crazy beyond belief, (b) never hunted brown bears, or (c) doesn't know what they are talking about.

That talk about brown bears getting big because hunters can't get within 400 yards, is well, bullshit. And if you knew someone(s) who had that happen to them, they were obviously doing something wrong and shouldn't be hunting brown bears in the first place.

Just a poor excuse for somebody to buy a super-duper 375 UM whatever. And don't think this post of mine has anything against the 375 UM, because it doesn't. If I didn't already have a 375 H&H, I would seriously consider the 375 UM.

And with those big bears knowing what a gun and hunting season is, then why do they respond to hunters shots, like say, on Kodiak Island and come in and investigate and even try to steal the hunters down deer?

[ 03-17-2003, 09:22: Message edited by: bearstalker ]

Whatever.

Came home with an empty tag I guess, and saw a couple big bears he couldn't get over ground to get close enough to hit.

Don't know where he was hunting either. Anyway, that was his rationale for the only POSSIBLE reason for having a 375 RUM.

s

I got a 375 rum cause I wanted one. Plus I watched too many of Saeeds videos .
Mine is a rem bdl ss . I put a 3x9 leopold compact on it and I think it is just as sweet as pie.
So far I have shot 260 grain ballistic tips and 270 grain failsafes out of it. Both with 90-95 grains of imr 4350. I have not chrony any velocities yet but I am sure they are going fast enough. I found the 90 grain loads to be very easy to shoot , about like a stiff 338 win mag with 275 gr bullets.

I am going to put a pachmyer XXX magnum (F990)
recoil pad on it , change the trigger , and maybe even smooth the underside of the bolt (cause the checkering rips the skin off my trigger finger even with gloves on).

The original question was which one is better ?
Its all good brother.

Socrates,

It would be interesting to know just how many bear, black or brown, you and your friend have been around. My guess is not many if any. Brown bear boars
grow large, along with females, due to the great diet they have, genetics, so forth and so on. Bears do funny things to people. Two of the clients in camp last season took two Arctic Grizzly, one at 90yd the other at forty feet. If you do your homework, it's not difficult to get close to a bear, coastal brown or interior grizzly. it's what you do when you get close that counts. I like RMillers line; "It's all good brother."

Joe