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There is a good possibility that I will be able to build myself one Rifle this year. The two cartridges that interest me are the 9.3x62 and the .376 Steyr. Let's here all about them. I know niether is very available in factory loaded form and I know the factory ballistics but let's here the real stuff. Keep in mind this will be a custom rifle as they appear impossible to get in a Left-Hand rifle. Thanks, Sean
 
Posts: 537 | Location: Vermont | Registered: 04 March 2001Reply With Quote
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the 9.3x62 is a time proven caliber and good enough for all game large and small..

I get 2520 with a 286 Nosler, 2600 plus with a 250 Swift or Nos. Bal. Tip; 2450 with a 320 gr. woodleigh..out of a 26" barrel, 210 Fed primers and RL-15 powder...

brass and bullets are plentifull and Norma, RWS, Lapua make loaded ammo. Actually Winchester makes loaded ammo but only for the European market for some reason.......
It is becomming quite popular on this side of the pond an CZ is making rifles in that caliber.

I see the Styr as neither fish nor fowl...I would 100 times prefer a 375 H&H or a 9.3x62.

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Anyone Else?

Not trying to disrespect Mr. Atkinson in any way. I just want to see if anyone else has a different opinion. Sean

 
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If Ray hadn't beat me to it, I would have told you exactly the same. Either you want a 9,3 or a 9,5. This boils down to deciding between the 9,3x62,-64 or the .375 HH (note that, in all practicability, what exceeds the realm of one won't be achieved by the others). In this respect, I consider the .376 Steyr as a dead duck or, if you prefer, as an answer to a non existing need.

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I see nothing wrong with the 376 Steyr other than as stated above it is a cartridge without a slot of need, it fills no gap, and is going to be dead as a dodo in ten years if it lasts that long! It is a good cartridge, and if it weren't so crowded in the area it occupies, it would last a long time. Alass, that gap is already full of good cartridges that have old gray beards, and a following, that will not budge, IMO!

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Do the 9.3 x 62 and be a happy camper like many of us.
 
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The 376 Steyr will be dropped, obsolete and worthless quicker than the 32 Winchester Special. It is a bastard case and lacks sufficient powder capacity to do its job well. It is too short for a long action and too long for a short action. Overall, it was a mistake.

The 9.3 x 62 is a good choice because the ballistics are good, brass is readily available, you can use 30-06 brass if you need to, and all you have to do is rebarrel a model 70, model 98 or model 03 to get a fine rifle.

 
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Lone Eagle,

I have been away at SCI and a shooting school, so I just now read your question.

I seem to be the only poster on AR who actually owns and has hunted with a .376 Steyr -- my rifle is the Steyr ProHunter with 20" barrel. With sling, scope and ammunition it is 40" long and weighs 9 pounds and a bit. The rifle and cartridge is an excellent *hunting* combination. It would also be especially good for a smaller hunter or a woman, for example.

My opinion:

The .376 Steyr is a modern version of the 9.3X62 that shoots all the great .375" bullets.

Hornady makes factory ammunition in two weights, and dies and brass are available. The case is made from the 9.3X64 case shortened to 60 mm, and necked up to 9.5 mm -- a 9.5X60 as it were. Manlicher tried a 9.5 before, but it had too poor ballistics and too poor bullets to do well on big game.

For the reloader, ammo will not be a worry.

I have been doing some correspondence with the factory, and I would not be surprised to see more marketing and perhaps a smaller caliber on this case. You have to market to show the buying public a reason to buy, not just announce the item and hope.

Steyr has changed hands, and the new owner is moving to a new distributor in North America -- Dynamit Nobe/RWS. So we will see. Meanwhile I will be hunting with my rifle.

If every new cartridge needed a hole in the cartridge picket fence to justify its existence, we would have quit adding them long ago. Or as the Chinese proverb says "The excellent is the enemy of the good".

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Had Steyr made the .376 in 1910, and put it in a slick little Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbine, we would be paying top dollar for them. Unfortunately, they made it far too late and put it in rifle with too many plastic parts (like the safety). 100 years from now it will probably have collector appeal, like the 9.5x57ms does now.

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We didn't need the WSM's an RUM either. I still haven't heard what I consider a valid reason not to get the .376. I still have not decided. Looking at the ballistics I don't see much difference between the .376 and the .375 H&H. But I do see a cartridge that fits a standard action. And as compared to the 9.3x62 it looks to be a little faster. So if it fits right in the middle of 2 very good cartridges why is it no good?
Like I said I have not made a decision and I would like an honest comparison. If the .376 is a mistake I would like to know why. Sean
 
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All three rounds do about the same job on animals.
 
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There is a train load of discontinued cartridges out there that were good cartridges, but they did not sell for one reason or another. The 376 Steyr will be one of them, I fear. As far as you buying one, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. The rifle/cartridge combination is well up to the use it will be carried for, I love Steyr rifles, but, like most, I prefere the Mannlicher Shoenaur, but today you will not find many folks under 30 years of age who have ever shot a Mann Shoe, or even held one, and it isn't because they weren't good rifles. The same will be the fate of the 376 STEYR IMO, and in ten years you will be lucky to see one in 200 rifles so chambered. If that doesn't make any difference to you, and all you want is another 9.5 that is no better than the 9.3x62, and can't hold a light for the 1912 375 H&H, then I say, go for it. If I thought it would be around passed 5 years, I might buy one myself!

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MacD37,
Explain to me why it doesn't "hold a light for the 1912 .375 H&H" Velocities don't appear any different on Hogdon's website. And as far as a 9.5 that is no better than a 9.3x62 it seems to me that people hear seem to like that round so that can't be too bad a thing to be as effective as the 9.3x62. The advantage I see when looking at this is American made brass, American made loaded ammo and a whole lot more American made bullets. Sean
 
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Lone Eagle,
I was also looking at these two cartridges and finally decided on the 376 Steyr also. It will do everything the 9.3x62 will do, plus another 200-300 fps with same weight bullets. Brass is cheap, bullets easier to find, and a larger selection of good bullets. I am going to have one made with a 19" barrel on a CZ action.
 
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MacD37,
Explain to me why it doesn't "hold a light for the 1912 .375 H&H" Velocities don't appear any different on Hogdon's website. And as far as a 9.5 that is no better than a 9.3x62 it seems to me that people hear seem to like that round so that can't be too bad a thing to be as effective as the 9.3x62. The advantage I see when looking at this is American made brass, American made loaded ammo and a whole lot more American made bullets. Sean


The 376 Steyr, and the 375 H&H ARE 9.5 diameter bullets, the 9.3 is .366 dia. All I was saying is the two 9.5s (.375") are the same in dia, but not the same cartridge! The numbers in any balistics graph is not all that is involved in makeing a cartridge good or better. There are a number of things that are corperated into the old 1912 cartridge that are absent in the 376 Steyr.
One is the long slopeing case that feeds like quick silver, more case capacity, to develop the same, or higher velocity while generateing less chamber pressure. A short fat dencely filled case causes a very SHARP snap in the recoil, and muzzle blast. But none of this will effect your opinion of this cartridge, and it shouldn't, it is simply fact nothing more.
The charge that the 376 STEYR is American made brass, well so is the old 375 H&H, and not only that the 375 brass, and loaded ammo, is available in every country in the world that allows firearms, or hunting. You can pick it up in any gunstore, or sporting goods store in the world, where are you going to find 376 STEYR on a country store shelf? The thing that will kill this cartridge is the slot it is placed in is FULL, and the rounds it competes with, are solidly entrenched in the world's HUNTING community. This is a place where something has to be VERY unique to cause a flurry of interest, the 376 STEYR simply will not gain that kind of following, IMO! As i said, believe it or not, I like this cartridge, and rifle, but the reality is, IMO, it will be dead in 5 years!

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I'll have to chime in with HunterJim.

I also own a Steyr ProHunter with 20" barrel. I also opted for the 9 round magazine, of which I own several. They are not cheap, but if I ever have to follow up something in the thick stuff, I don?t know where you are going to find a bolt action with a better magazine capacity in a serious cartridge.

Now mind you, I own an old 375 H&H, and even have one in an Encore handgun, and love the old bruiser. But the Steyr rifle is light, modern, ultra reliable, and with that extended magazine, you have excellent firepower. I guess I?m not as good a shot as the rest of you guys, so I?ve never owned a rifle with too large a magazine.

I don? know if a left hander is offered, I assume not. But I can highly recommend the cartridge and rifle. It reloads easily, bullet selection is great for both (H&H and 376), and recoil from the Steyr ProHunter is negligible.

 
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MacD37,
Please go back and look at my original post. I am asking for a comparison of the .376 Steyr and the 9.3x62 Mauser, not the .376 Steyr and the .375 H&H. So please if we could stick to the topic at hand I would appreciate it.
Does the 9.3x62 have AVAILABLE U.S. Made Brass. I understand that it can be formed from 30-06 or .35 Whelen brass I have Ken Waters Pet Loads. i have read how the process works.
Again I am interested in both rounds. I would like to have a rifle chambered for each but that won't happen this year so now I have to decide which one I want more. Sean
 
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Sean, I understand what you were asking, and the answer I gave is to indicate that I think the 376 STEYR has the draw back of not haveing much longivity, where the 9.3X62 has been around a long time, and will be around a lot longer than the 376 STEYR, the comparison to the 375 H&H is the "REASON" it will not last! Forgive me for not answering with an answer you wanted to hear, but that is my opinion. As I said I like the cartridge, but then I owned, and liked the 308 NORMA MAG, and the 358 NORMA MAG, both very fine cartridges, but both were placed in competition with the 300 H&H, and 300 Win Mag, and the 358 with the 338 win mag, and the 340 wea mag. where are those two cartridges today? That was all I was trying to tell you, the fact that a cartridge is good or not does not guarentee it's longivity.

Now, I'm through with this string!

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Thank You. Sean
 
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Both cartridges can give the H&H an run for its money. Both cartridges can be handloaded down for lighter game. Components for both are readily availabe from Midway, etc.
In order to find a difference, you will have to ask yourself some practical questions. Will you be leaving the country with this rifle? Will you be relying much on factory ammunition? If the answer to either is yes, than go with the 9.3. If you are staying stateside, and you handload, than go with cartridge that appeals most to you.
If you are looking for a factory left handed 9.3, let me know. They do exist.

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