458Lottfan
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Hello 458 Lottfan,
Some few years ago began the search for big bore bolt action rifles with eventual African hunt in the planning stages and as mentioned by others, the Ruger RSM is an outstanding value in todays rifle dollars available to the common consumer. Had heard of stock breakage from a few and read about it once in a while on this site and spoke with Ruger at length about the supposed problem prior to purchase. Yes, it does happen, but it is a very rare occurence and was told without any reservations at all to not do anything, underscore anything, to the rifle or it would void the warranty. Removing the stock is a no, no!! Altering the stock is a no, no! If you have not altered the stock or tampered the rifle in any way, then Ruger should stand behind the repairs/replacement, etc. fully. Stock alone on that rifle is some 700-800 bucks and doubt many are restocked by custom stock makers??? Sure it can be done, but it will cost as much as the rifle if not more I would say. Kind of defeats the purpose of a commercial, non custom rifle, yet having a lot of features only some customs offer. If you had not done anything to the rifle, would go back to Ruger and work a deal with them. Just a suggestion.

Which has a more accurate barrel,the Rooger or the CZ?

My CZ550 Safari Classic 458 Lott has a Laminated

stock that is water proff, has two cross lugs,

can be balanced on my hand, and is highly

accurate [ 100 yds 1.5" three shot group ] with

500 gr bullets and open sights.

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:
CZ550 balance is the worst on the market. Heavey and thick butt stock with light barrel.

Buliwyf this your opinion.

Mine is exactly the opposite.

A friend has a RSM in .416 Rigby and the barrel is much too heavy. The balance is terrible IMHO and I am not the only person that has voiced that complaint.

I have 2 Brno's, a ZKK-602 in .416 Remington and a CZ-550 in .458 Lott. I am 6'3" 240 lbs, perhaps my stature makes these rifles fit me, but I find the balance in both these Brno's to be much superior to the RSM.

FWIW either the RSM or the Brno can be modified to suit the person.

Functionality of the action is vital and both the Brno's and Rugers share the Mauser action, yet in tests by the African PH's the Rugers have received poor marks. Under heavy rapid fire these guns have had problems where the extractor has failed to pick up a round.
Conversely the CZ's have received the highest marks for factory issue rifles, in these tests.


Lastly as far as appearances go the RSM may beat the Brno but that is the stupidest reason there is, as a basis to buy a rifle! It's tiring hearing that BS over and over about how ugly the Brno's are... and oh btw, both my Brno's are ugly bastards!! But they sure are functional!!


One day Bad Henry (Henry Aaron, Atlanta Braves) came up to the plate to bat and the catcher on the opposing team told Henry he had the bat turned upside down so the label could not be read. Henry just quietly replied that he was not up at the plate to read...

Hello Demonical,
If I were you I would not be strayed by the overwhelming positive reports on the Ruger RSM's and just continue buying the CZ's. That is the wonderful thing about the free enterprize system, you vote with your money and CZ is your vote. Good Luck.

dsiteman, just so you know I am not a Ruger hater.

I've got a .480 SRH, a Redhawk in .44 Mag. I don't own any of their rifles but I have had Ruger No.1's in the past. They are great guns, superbly built.
I also believe the Ruger M-77 is the best value in a hunting rifle today.

I merely respond to the specific argument of the RSM vs the CZ-550 (ZKK-602).

A thought; if you are recoil sensitive the heavy barrel of the RSM might appeal to you, as it definitely takes some of the muzzle jump out of it. And this might explain why some people do not like the Brno's, but I do not find them light in the barrel and I do not have any problems with recoil.

Neither of my Brno's are ported.



Amen to Free Enterprise!

Originally post by Atkinson
re: CZ rifles:

quote:

Not to say that properly tuned they are not good serviceable rifles, they are, I just don't care for them.

I feel the EXACT same way about Rugers.

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Which has a more accurate barrel,the Rooger or the CZ?

My experience has the CZ's winning hands down in the accuracy department.

Demonical:

You shouldn't feel the need to justify your preference for the CZ. Buy the CZ and use it. You are right about the RSM being a much better looking rifle than the CZ. A rifle's appearance is very important to a rifleman.

I put a 1 3/4" X 5" Burris on my Lott 458 and put 2 500 gr at 2280 FPS bullets thru the same hole.

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:
Demonical:

You shouldn't feel the need to justify your preference for the CZ. Buy the CZ and use it. You are right about the RSM being a much better looking rifle than the CZ. A rifle's appearance is very important to a rifleman.

Translation: Because my rifles are ugly I am not a rifleman? No, I just cannot afford to waste $5,000 on a fancy-ass custom rifle. Perhaps you forget that not all people are wealthy enough to play with that cosmetic BS.

Fancy wood only matters when you're sitting beside the fire trying to impress...

Some of the fancy-dan rifles I have seen make me wonder if the guy is actually going to hunt or just pose.

As far as me "justifying" anything, I only responded to your biased opinion against the CZ. Different rifles will fit and feel comfortable to people but you neglect that obvious fact.

Thanks.

The CZ 550 is not an inexpensive rifle.

Buliwyf If I remember rightly the ZKK-602 was $685 and the CZ-550 was $900.

I spent another $300 getting a barrel band sling swivel, crossbolts and bedding job plus re-chambering my CZ-550 from .458 Win to Lott.

I spent $600 for a 1.5-6X Leopold Var-X III for the .416Rem ZKK-602. I bought a B-Square jig and installed my own crossbolts on the ZKK, that was another $100...

So I've got something like $2,500 all-in for both rifles.

That's pretty darned cheap!

Since I bought those rifles they have gone up in price. They're now $1,300 to $1,600 depending on the caliber.




A RSM at Wholesale Sports costs $2,100. They've got .375H&H, .416 Rigby and .458 Lott.

Wow...loooking at it that way the Ruger wins hands down for me. Better looking as well.

I think when you look at the rifles together you can see that the Ruger has more weight in the front end.

No doubt it is a far nicer looking rifle.

Your Cape Buffalo would probably want to be shot by the Ruger...


Cheers, Demo.

Have to say once again I'm impressed with how much CZ has come along with the 550 line of rifles. Recently aquired a CZ 550 safari of "06 manufacture from a good friend last Wednesday {my b-day} with the hogback stock that I like very much. These rifles are of good value for money spent hands down. R.

I thought about buying the Ruger but I am having second thoughts.What I might do instead is buy a quality action that I don't have to wait a long time for and barrel it with a quality match barrel,and then put a good wooden stock on it.This way I'll have a rifle that will shoot well out to 200yds,and a rifle which will retain if not increase in value over the years.I am thinking of going with a Granite mountain action and a Krieger barrel.I got a quote of 5 thousand for a barreled action including metal work such as express sights and peep sight on the barrel.

Tipical, after all this argueing he deceides to get neither. Where's that Prep H gun?