THE ACCURATERELOADING.COM BIG BORE FORUMS

Accuratereloading.com    The Accurate Reloading Forums    THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS  Hop To Forum Categories  Rifles  Hop To Forums  Big Bores    What actions for giant cases?

Moderators: jeffeosso
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
What actions for giant cases? Login/Join
 
one of us
posted
What actions were originally used for the likes of the 505 Gibbs?
That is a fat, long monster, and I can't imagine Enfields or Mausers handling it.
(And there are others.)
 
Posts: 2000 | Location: Beaverton OR | Registered: 19 December 2002Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
The 505 Gibbs was originally built on magnum length mauser actions.
 
Posts: 2404 | Location: A Blue State | Registered: 28 September 2002Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
The 505 can be done on a Enfield with a
little work.It has large action diameter that
helps with putting in bigger barrels for
fat cases...Ed
 
Posts: 27742 | Registered: 03 February 2003Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Robgunbuilder
posted Hide Post
Brevex magnum mauser actions and 1917 Enfields/model 30's-Rob
 
Posts: 6314 | Location: Las Vegas,NV | Registered: 10 January 2001Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
What are your thoughts, with regard to the reboring and rechambering of M77 MkII Magnum Rugers to the 505 Gibbs? There is a company in Tennessee, Bowen Custom Arms, performing this conversion. They advertise it on their website.
 
Posts: 2404 | Location: A Blue State | Registered: 28 September 2002Reply With Quote
Moderator
Picture of jeffeosso
posted Hide Post
The enfield is large enough.. it's a frickin huge action. The larger magnum actions are very expensive, except the coming attractions of the MRC PH.

it's very possible to build a 50 cal HUNTING rifle on a cz 550, if you are not dead set on a 505.

for the most part, get a 550 in 416 rigby, do a barrel swap for a 500 asquare, a 510 wells, or a 500 jeffery. They are all on the same casehead diamater, which is the same as teh 416 rigby.

You would need to do A LITTLE feed work as all three of those rounds are slightly larger diameter, by body and rebatted rim, or case belt, than the 416 rigby.

If i knew THEN what I know NOW about the 500 jeffe, I would have built a wells. The brass is abotu 1/3 the price, you can get it from midway, it's not dogturd soft bertram, and all the rest is right there.....

Of course, I would have loaded it at 500 jeffery ballistics, not the higher wells/a2.

All in all, your real choices, today, are in terms of increasing price of the action, as related to the 505.

p14/m17 100-200 action
rem mod 30 200-400 action
cz 550 650, deliveried, every day
MRC PH (when it comes out) ???
<other mag mauser sized actions> 1500-4000

jeffe
 
Posts: 40635 | Location: Conroe, TX | Registered: 01 June 2002Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Oldsarge
posted Hide Post
I mus' ha' bin asleep when it were discussed. Who is dis MRC PH and where dey gonna cum frum?
 
Posts: 2690 | Location: Lakewood, CA. USA | Registered: 07 January 2001Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Oldsarge:
I mus' ha' bin asleep when it were discussed. Who is dis MRC PH and where dey gonna cum frum?

Montana Rifleman Company will be producing a large magnum action called PH. Dan from the company has been posting all kinds of info about this big action as well as other actions on here. Thanks.
 
Posts: 1002 | Location: Midwest USA | Registered: 01 September 2001Reply With Quote
Moderator
Picture of jeffeosso
posted Hide Post
opps, forgot one...
olympic arms bbk?
jeffe
 
Posts: 40635 | Location: Conroe, TX | Registered: 01 June 2002Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
If i knew THEN what I know NOW about the 500 jeffe, I would have built a wells. The brass is abotu 1/3 the price, you can get it from midway, it's not dogturd soft bertram, and all the rest is right there.....

Horneber makes the Jeffery, and Huntington has it listed. Dieter is making a run of .500 Jeffery as we speak ....

Regarding large actions, there is the EDM Arms single shot, which we are using for 50 BMG, 408 CheyTac (a 505 Gibbs derivative), as well as several wildcats (300-338 Lapua and 338-408 CT)
 
Posts: 327 | Location: Texas | Registered: 22 July 2003Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by hubel458:
The 505 can be done on a Enfield with a
little work.It has large action diameter that
helps with putting in bigger barrels for
fat cases...Ed

If you measure both the Mauser 98 and the US 1917 then you will find that they are about the same dimensionally. In fact, the 98 has a slightly larger front ring diameter than the 1917. The 17 seems to be longer than the 98 from the looks but the bolt lenght looks to be about the same for both actions. There is nothing to argue about in this subject matter but thought that I should mention this for discusion sake. Thanks.
 
Posts: 1002 | Location: Midwest USA | Registered: 01 September 2001Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
You can build a .505 on a Ruger M77 Magnum action. Bowen Classic Arms does the conversions.
 
Posts: 546 | Location: Oklahoma City, OK | Registered: 29 November 2002Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Robgunbuilder
posted Hide Post
The issue with the M98 isn't the action ring diameter( literally all bolt actions are nearly the same in that dimension). It's in the amount of metal in the ramp/lower locking lug area as well as in the bolt throw distance. To build a 505 Gibbs on an enfield you have to seriously recut the ramp and cut way back into the receiver. Been there and done that! To do so on a M98 will take you right into the lower locking lug. you can't go back as far! That is bad! The practical limit of what can be done on a M98 is probably a .416 Rigby! You can ( although it's not easy) build a 505 Gibbs on a 1917 enfield ( with a fair safety margin) and probably hundreds have been done. I want to see one done on a M98. One shot -Kaboom!-Rob
 
Posts: 6314 | Location: Las Vegas,NV | Registered: 10 January 2001Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
Re-barreling a Ruger m-77 in 416 Rigby would work just fine and I hear Bowen does a fine job...

Personally I would use a M-98 Mauser or a Winchester pre 64 M-70, both with a Blackburn drop box, straight bolt handle... and go with the 500 Jefferys...It will outperform the 505 and do it all in a std. length action.
 
Posts: 42400 | Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Registered: 04 June 2000Reply With Quote
  Powered by Social Strata  
 

Accuratereloading.com    The Accurate Reloading Forums    THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS  Hop To Forum Categories  Rifles  Hop To Forums  Big Bores    What actions for giant cases?

Copyright December 1997-2023 Accuratereloading.com


Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia