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Newest addition to big bore collection.
09 October 2017, 23:20
CHIPBNewest addition to big bore collection.
I haven't used the Imagur Website yet, so excuse me if the photo of my rifle does not come through with this post.....I may have to go back to the drawing board. This is an H&H 8 Bore Double that was built in 1884 for an Indian "Nawab"' (a Muslim Potentate). It has 24" barrels, a 13.5" LOP, and weighs 17.5 pounds. Obviously, it is a Jones Underlever.
I bought the rifle from the James Julia Auctions nearly a year ago, and have been collecting the pictured reloading equipment ever since. I have finally managed to reload 5 rounds, which you see pictured under the barrels. The bullets used are spherical lead balls having a diameter of 0.850" and weighing roughly 935 grains. My starting load is 70 grains of Blue Dot smokeless powder, which I believe will result in both moderate muzzle velocities and manageable recoil. Cheers. Chip.
https://imgur.com/E3hN0JV09 October 2017, 23:31
CHIPBOkay, I guess I'm halfway there. The link will allow you to see the rifle......but how do I make the photo appear in the post itself? Sorry for the technical ineptitude! Cheers. Chip.
09 October 2017, 23:49
CHIPBLet's try this:
09 October 2017, 23:50
CHIPBHopefully a lager size:
09 October 2017, 23:52
CHIPBStarting to feel like Goldilocks and the Three Bears:
10 October 2017, 00:11
Fury01Fantastic!
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10 October 2017, 00:55
DMansonGood to take your time and set it up properly. Looks like a great piece.
Dave Manson
10 October 2017, 01:01
RockdocAwesome!
Beautiful rifle and accoutrements.
DRSS
10 October 2017, 04:53
Omnivorous_BobNice!!!
I (and I'm sure many others!) would love to hear all of the details; rifled? twist? any known history with the Nawab? How's it shoot? Any info from H&H or the ledger? and on and on. And more pictures of course!
Also, I'd suggest getting ahold of Cal Pappas and see if he's got any copies of his bore rifle book left. Lots of good load info and tips there.
Bob
DRSS
"If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"
"PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!"
10 October 2017, 06:11
CHIPBHello, Bob. I will attempt to post photos of Holland & Holland's build sheet ledger, as well as D. Winks's letter of 1981 explaining the provenance of the rifle. Here goes:
More in a later post. Cheers. Chip.
10 October 2017, 06:21
BiebsChip, that is certainly a piece of history...very nice!
10 October 2017, 06:40
CHIPBI have owned this rifle for almost a year.It was an auction item at James Julia's fall auction last year. I consulted with Cal Pappas be before I bid on it, as there was more than one 8 Bore up for auction in that session. I own all of Cal's books, including "The British Bore Rifle". Cal has helped me with various aspects of reloading for this rifle.
I first had to cast the chambers and the first one inch of the barrels. The castings had to be measured and sent off to Rocky Mountain Cartridge Co. of Worland, Wyoming in order to have 30 pieces of custom brass made. Once the brass was made, a piece of it had to be sent to Dave Davidson of CH4D in order to have a set of custom dies made.
Once the appropriate bullet diameter was determined, moulds were ordered from Jeff Tanner of Billericay, England.
Finally, all of the vintage reloading tools, (primer/decapper, rammer, snap caps, bullet sizer, chamber brush, barrel brush, jag, rods, powder measures,etc.), were made by John Millar of Danville, Washington.
It is a new realm of stuff for me, but very interesting. The oak and leather case that came with the rifle appears to be original. It is in line for a refurbishment to be performed by Kade Gile of Huey Cases. Enjoy. Cheers. Chip.
10 October 2017, 07:36
cal pappasChip:
Nice to see how things have progressed for you. Post this also in the double rifles section. I'm glad I saw this as I rarely look to this section. In my 8 Locke I shoot 85 grains of Blue Dot for a fun load and 100 grains for a bit more horsepower; both with round balls. My 8 is bored to .875" so a ball is 1000 grains (true 7-bore).
Best wishes, and keep me posted. Email me some pics if you can as I'd be pleased to post them on my website <calpappas.com>
Cheers,
Cal
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10 October 2017, 07:59
Omnivorous_Bobquote:
Originally posted by CHIPB:
I have owned this rifle for almost a year.It was an auction item at James Julia's fall auction last year. I consulted with Cal Pappas be before I bid on it, as there was more than one 8 Bore up for auction in that session. I own all of Cal's books, including "The British Bore Rifle". Cal has helped me with various aspects of reloading for this rifle.
I first had to cast the chambers and the first one inch of the barrels. The castings had to be measured and sent off to Rocky Mountain Cartridge Co. of Worland, Wyoming in order to have 30 pieces of custom brass made. Once the brass was made, a piece of it had to be sent to Dave Davidson of CH4D in order to have a set of custom dies made.
Once the appropriate bullet diameter was determined, moulds were ordered from Jeff Tanner of Billericay, England.
Finally, all of the vintage reloading tools, (primer/decapper, rammer, snap caps, bullet sizer, chamber brush, barrel brush, jag, rods, powder measures,etc.), were made by John Millar of Danville, Washington.
It is a new realm of stuff for me, but very interesting. The oak and leather case that came with the rifle appears to be original. It is in line for a refurbishment to be performed by Kade Gile of Huey Cases. Enjoy. Cheers. Chip.
That's great Chip. It sounds like you've got ALL of the bases covered! Kade Giles has redone a few cases for me and they are top notch for sure. RMC brass is the gold standard, especially when made to your individual chamber. I've got two of John Millar's molds for my eight and they are truly works of art. And of course Cal is the guru. You are definitely being through with this fine rifle.
Now come on up to AK the first Saturday in May to our double rifle shoot!
Bob
DRSS
"If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"
"PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!"
10 October 2017, 15:09
p dog shooterVery nice
11 October 2017, 00:44
Brian CanadaAwesome! Thanks for laying it out in nice display.
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11 October 2017, 18:26
nitro450expCHIPB
Lovely Rifle!
I just picked up a W W Greener Jones underlever self acting striker 12 bore earlier this year, I would greatly appreciate if you could forward the contacts of all your sources for loading tools and components, I have nothing and will soon start to collect them with the goal of shooting it. Of course chamber casts are the first step, and the gun is on it's way to my smith in the US.
Regards
Nitro
"Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall
DRSS, BASA
470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener
11 October 2017, 18:28
nitro450expCHIPB
BTW i contacted W W Greener to get info on my gun, unfortunately 1864 ~ 1874 records were not available, the self acting striker Patent # 800 dates from Jul 3rd 1868
Nitro
"Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall
DRSS, BASA
470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener
11 October 2017, 21:02
Eagle DadAwesome find. Enjoy
11 October 2017, 22:03
CHIPBquote:
Originally posted by nitro450exp:
CHIPB
Lovely Rifle!
I just picked up a W W Greener Jones underlever self acting striker 12 bore earlier this year, I would greatly appreciate if you could forward the contacts of all your sources for loading tools and components, I have nothing and will soon start to collect them with the goal of shooting it. Of course chamber casts are the first step, and the gun is on it's way to my smith in the US.
Regards
Nitro
Hello nitro450exp. You will need these suppliers to collect the reloading components that you see in the earlier photos:
1. Rocky Mountain Cartridge Co. for custom made brass based on your chamber castings. Website:
http://www.rockymountaincartridge.com/.
2. CH4D for your sizing, seating, crimping, and expander dies. Website:
https://www.ch4d.com/.
3. Jeff Tanner for your bullet moulds. Website:
http://www.jt-bullet-moulds.co.uk/.
4. John Millar for your vintage reloading tools. John does not have a website, but you can reach him by telephone at 250-442-5616.
Additionally, I would suggest that you buy a copy of Cal Pappas's book, "The British Bore Rifle". It helped me a lot. Website:
http://www.calpappas.com/.
I hope this helps. Cheers. Chip.
12 October 2017, 05:33
RIPImpressive indeed!
Thanks for sharing.
Rip
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13 October 2017, 00:52
nitro450expThanks
"Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall
DRSS, BASA
470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener