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George, I will see if I can apply your criteria to myself. a) are apathetic, Not me as I am usually accused of being the opposite when it comes to site matters b) don't want conflict, The last of my concerns is conflict with another poster. c) don't want to hold others to a standard they may one day be held to, Does not worry me in the slightest d) have their own agendas. This is the one. I don't agree with Troll Control instigated by site management and especially when commencing as a list of names for which there is no definite proof. IP numbers have been demonstrated not to be fully reliable. You might remember quite a while ago that came to light on the African forum. Then you might say they have admitted to being a troll but you can't work on that basis because you label them as people who have a massive struggle with the truth....and you know the rest. As to "off topic" posting yourself and Robgunbuiler have now managed to make "off topic" postings the main activity on this forum at the moment and your post on Troll Alert should keep it alive and well for quite a while. Mike | ||
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Sometimes it scares me when I have to say this, but I happen to agree with Mike375 to a large degree on this one.  | |||
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Mike, See my post above. You can continue to post on this ad nauseum if it pleases you, but I'd prefer if we got back to real 'Big Bore' topics. George | |||
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George, I was ready to wrap up when I posted on 378 recoil but you have posted since then.  Given that one of your objectives in being a troll killer is to reduce or eliminate off topic postings.....then you should set a good example and not post again on this or related threads Mike | |||
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Trolls require fuel just as any other form of parasitic life. If a troll posts and is ignored entirely then said troll becomes an 'unperson'. True, trolls start out as unknowns and do not become trolls until exposed. Once exposed, higher forms of life should immediately go to 'ignore' mode which will result in the evolutionary necessity known as extinction. A troll must have an organism-friendly environment in which to thrive. Remove said environment and the troll must expire or migrate. Simple evolutionary progression.  | |||
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Congrats, Mike. You've finally made it onto my 'ignore' list. George | |||
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Hey Guys/Gals This used to be one of my favorite forums. But now it's full of crap about Trolls and such......who cares about the damn Trolls????? I don't! I have figured out who some of them are and I don't believe them, post anything on the issue (until now) or even read what they have to say. If some of you are so damn twisted off about the damn trolls....ask Saeed to start a 'Troll Flaming' Forum(or whatever you wanna call it!) I'm tired of pulling up this forum and seeing this garbage as I'm sure most others are too.....enough is enough! Let's get back to more important issues...Like BIG BORES!!!! RANT OFF | |||
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Nicely put...this whole troll thing is why I stopped looking at these forums a long time ago. I'm back because now I've got the oppertunity to get a big bore cheap, and needed some advice from the experts here! Just gotta figure out who to ignore (Axel/ToddE/ScottS is on my list right now...others?)! | |||
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Trolls do not usually exist without so called troll hunters so I bet that if the troll hunters disappear then they will take the trolls with them as well. I keep hearing about ignoring the troll (Axel) but members here keep giving him a reason to exist so who are to blame here. As much as I don't like Axel's mulitply identities, I don't see anything wrong with him because I have not seen him attacking anybody and it is always the other way around. Go figure! | |||
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TXPO, Excellent post. There are many trolls here. You are welcome to consider me a troll, that is your right. burningman, I don't know who you are, but ignoring me would be a disservice to yourself. I am not a troll, although I freely admit to screwing with several so-called 'experts'. If you think these so-called 'experts' are in fact experts then I feel sorry for you as these individuals are merely playing on your ignorance to build themselves up i.e. ego trip. Scott | |||
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Quote: Another 'brilliant' piece of troll logic. The closest analogy to this is to say that if we got rid of medicines and vaccines, diseases would disappear along with them; or, if we eliminated gun ownership by law-abiding citizens, crime would disappear. Typical troll nonsense! Quote: So 'ScottS', when you post false information, you're not doing for your own selfish purposes? When you argue/agree with yourself under several different personae, it's only to entertain yourself? And you wonder why you are held in such low regard... George | |||
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I suppose that strictly speaking anyone who starts a thread is a troll unless they set out to word their thread starting post in a manner that will prevent any responses. After having been on these forums for several years I continue to be amazed at the number of people who complain about what could be called "off topic" threads while at the same time reading through such threads.  I think Mauser probably had it right when he said "Trolls do not usually exist without so called troll hunters so I bet that if the troll hunters disappear then they will take the trolls with them as well" On one of the other threads there are suggestions that he Moderator should label the ScottS handle with something like "troll" or whatever. Of course like all such ideas to protect the "innocent" that immediately creates a problem because by default anyone without such a label is not a trouble making troll who lies etc. It is also worth noting that TXPO in starting this thread has added to the problem of which he complains. On the other hand it might have been his intention for the topic to attract no responses. Mike | |||
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Mike, As usual, you are way off, and see everything backwards. George | |||
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George, Where I am wrong or backwards? In general the longest threads on any forum are those that are "off topic" and doubly so if they are "personal" in nature. Do you agree if there are no responses to the "troll" then he/it/she dies? Do you agree that if you label a handle as a troll or similar then by default those without the label are OK. On this forum at the moment the active threads dominating the forum are either troll related or the content of the thread has switched to troll killing. One thing for sure and that is most of the postings do not belong to ScottS. Mike | |||
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What's worng and backwards is your premise that not exposing or attacking trolls will lead to their departure. This is just not true. Think about it; a forum exists where people exchange information. Trolls invade it, and both the level and quality of discourse deteriorate. Trolls NEVER improve a board by their presence. Also, that labeling a poster as a troll does not enhance anyone else's statue, it merely identifies the troll. By your reasoning, anyone who is not in jail must be innocent of any crimes. We all know that not to be true; some of them just haven't been caught yet.  George | |||
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What's worng and backwards is your premise that not exposing or attacking trolls will lead to their departure. This is just not true. But has ignoring them ever been tried. The current system of troll hunters etc. appears to have a result which is the opposite to the desired result. Think about it; a forum exists where people exchange information. Trolls invade it, and both the level and quality of discourse deteriorate. Trolls NEVER improve a board by their presence. A forum is a place for discussion. If people are not interested they do not participate. Troll threads are typically long running and with several participants. I have been on this forum since it started in about 1998 and trolls have become most prevalent since Pecos45 took it upon himself to be the troll hunter. This is especially the case on the Political forum. By your reasoning, anyone who is not in jail must be innocent of any crimes. We all know that not to be true; some of them just haven't been caught yet. The analogy does not hold water. Firstly a troll can't attack, rob or injure me. Secondly, unlike jail troll hunting, troll labeling etc. is paradise for the troll. In fact if you can't locate one then he will let it be known he is a troll. I might also add that one reason people get attacked is because they assume all the people not in jail are OK. Now George both you and I know that you are a troubled or annoyed by a breach in protocol, rules etc whereas that does not worry me. However, the bottom line is that as troll hunting has moved into gear on this site their activity has grown and grown to a large extent. I don't know whether you realise it but your Troll Alert thread which I see you have locked at the top is about the biggest invitation to the trolls that could be made. Mike | |||
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Quote: Until the troll is exposed, he/she is considered sincere; once the troll begin posting false information, he/she is considered suspect; once the troll is exposed as a phony, he/she should be shunned. If people know who to shun, they can more readily do so. Quote: A forum is a place for discussion of ideas germane to the intended topic of the forum. There is a 'Miscellaneous topics' forum here, but people prefer to post on other fora so that their question/issue will receive more attention. Quote: You missed my point; you state that labeling trolls grants implicit validation of all other posters. My contention is that there are known trolls, those who are trolls but not yet exposed as such, and everyone else. Quote: Not around here; they are attacked because they project an air of vulnerability (or they're tourists ).Quote: I prefer that people keep things orderly; you can be wrong, but don't be inconsiderate of others. And one reason for the increased troll traffic is because of handwringing by other members who a) are apathetic, b) don't want conflict, c) don't want to hold others to a standard they may one day be held to, and d) have their own agendas. Quote: We'll see. There is plenty of room on the list of trolls. George | |||
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We'll see. There is plenty of room on the list of trolls. The objective should be to have a shrinking list???? Now let us say that I see a posting where the information looks wrong...maybe a 460 doing 2750 f/s with 500s. So I go to the troll list and the poster is not there. You are the Moderator so I email you questioning this poster. Remember that your Troll List thread that sits at the top of the forum invites such as email. George, no disrespect meant but you had a heavy hand on the HA Africa forum and that went as dead as a door nail. Mike | |||
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Quote: I dont know if this holds water or not, but I cant stand it when threads are pinned at the top. This is one of many things I liked the most about AR. | |||
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Mike375, now that we have a NetNanny to safeguard us all will be well. It is interesting that in a site with "no" censorship, we now have "censorship by paintbrush/opinion" isn't it? You are so wrong, we need a few more NetNannies to help us think, can't you agree? Am I serious or just another TROLL? | |||
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Hey Wes, RIGHT ON.... can the target on the top of the screen be changed to a troll? get that 416 up and running... jeffe | |||
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gsp, The sticky is so visitors will notice it right off. It is a means to an end. Mike, Ideally, there would be no list at all, but that was left up to the trolls. By their actions, they have earned a place on the list. As for loads, anyone would be ill-advised to accept any loads listed on the internet as safe in their guns. The very best source of 'safe' loads remains the loading manuals produced by ballisticians, and even they counsel people to approach those loads carefully. As for HA, I wager that the constant calls for donations had more to do with its moribund state than the two .45-70 threads that I closed. George | |||
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8mm, I'm not your NetNanny. It's not my job to protect or think for you. If you choose to read troll-blather, feel free. You don't have to hit the 'ignore this user' link at all. However, some of us are truly fed up with this nonsense, and will do what we can. George | |||
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George My reference to loads was as a "troll indentifier". In other words is the 2750 for the 460 a Chrony in the wrong light, an overload or a figure designed to attract responses and trouble? Your Troll Alert invites emails etc and in the form of "I want to check this poster or "is this poster OK" etc. I agree that it is not the 45/70 threads of themselves but rather a general style of which the 45/70 thread closures happen to be a symptom. Mike | |||
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Mike, You and I will not agree on much of anything. We have a fundamental difference in our philosophies and 'styles'. Let's leave it at that. George | |||
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George We will probably agree that a 378 kicks like all hell Mike | |||
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If shot from a bench, and without a brake, YES IT DOES! And if you crawl the stock, the scope will pop you  George | |||
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Quote: You're wrong, it was the sensorship that killed HA. Please don't kill this forum with a heavy hand. | |||
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Mike375- As usual your thinking is as twisted as it gets Ol Man! GeorgeS is doing this site a service. No other moderator has done a thing about ToddE/Axel etc! What in the world makes you think the Trolls won't go away if NO ONE REPLY's to them. That is the only thing that will work without resorting to banning them. ScottS is the worst of the bunch and if we get rid of him we reduce the Crap level by logs. Why not be more helpful? I'm not looking for a fight, but that's my two cents. I have put ScottS on my Ignore list and ask that everyone else do the same!-Rob | |||
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Robgunbuilder, From your posting: What in the world makes you think the Trolls won't go away if NO ONE REPLY's to them. Why don't you read my first post on this thread, it is about 6 from the top. Mike | |||
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Quote: I see the handwringers are coming out of the woodwork to defend the trolls.  George | |||
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Putting all trolls on your Ignore list is the best darn thing we could all do. I also think there is some merit in warning newbies of members that are known posters of false and potentially dangerous information. That said, I don't necessarily agree with a number of the other suggestions to deal with trolls. Sometimes it scares me when I have to say this, but I happen to agree with Mike375 to a large degree on this one. I also agree entirely with Paul H. I also take offence at the statement that nothing was done on this forum before. I have never moderated this particular forum, but I have tried my best to help out. On the subject of changing the status "One of Us" to "Lying Troll", how far should we take this? Should we include categories for: "All Around Nice Guy" "Expert" "Genius" "Likes to Wrestle with Pigs" "Uses Frequent Profanity." "Condescending to Anyone that Thinks Differently" "Know it All" "Self Righteous Jerk" "Likes to Argue about Semantics" I'm not trying to be a stick in the mud. Heck, I'm all for trying to clean this place up a bit. I don't think it is quite as easy as a scarlet letter though. And I still think that some of the "troll hunters" have to take some of the blame for the degradation of the forum. And I still believe that if you ignore them, they will eventually go away. But, we're all entitled to our opinions, eh? Canuck | |||
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Canuck, I would not stoop to modifying people's profiles, even the trolls', tempting as it might be. George | |||
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