Hallo Folks

Yesterday I spoke with Wolfgang Romey in Germany regarding some ammo. And he is now making 500 jeffery with the original angel to 500 Jeffery CIP specifications. This is due to the problems that many 500 jeffery owners in europe has had/ are having. Westley Richards have as I had problems with ammo from Kynoch (sticky extraction) this was according to Wolgang Romey due to to hoot loads ?
Mr Romey are now producing the original 500 Jeffery for Westley richards and not the hybrid that he is so famous for
The first batch will be with 12,7X70 Sch�ler headstamp.
I was furthermore told that the new Mauser magnum from Mauser (SIG) in cal. .500 Jeffery is in fact a 12,7X70 Sch�ler Nice going
I will hopefully get my Wolfgang Romey .500 Jeffery in the near future and test them.
Theese bullets are a compensation for the 12,7X70 Sch�ler that he first send me. They worked fine but where stiff to chamber. I shoot all 120 and are planning to reload them with woodleigh 535 grn and Barnes XLC 570 grn.

Here is a picture of my Heym Express .500 Jeffery I still have problems with it and the last batch that I got from Kynamco (that where double checked) had two duds out of five shoots, I think this is due to the fact that the firing pin does not hit center.
I will contact Heym on this matter. For the fourth time.

All input is welcome

Cheers,

Andr�

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Thanks Ray

I have that drawing myself from kynamco they send my lots of paper. I also got some specs from Peter Hambruch and Raimer Johansen whom I both spoke with to get their opinion.

I think Romey mend that he would reshape some 12,7X70 Sch�ler that he had on hand and therefore the Sch�ler headstamp. I do not know if they will work, time will tell. He is very slow It has been 10 month since I informed him about the fact that he send Sch�ler and not Jeffery.
I was planning to hunt Mbogo this year but I think it will be 2005 instead.
I do not want a buff to charge me and then hear the "klik" sound.
I look forward to receiving my bullets and reload my own with the Triebel die set. That should work, since the chamber is cut with a Triebel tool.
I greatly appreciate your opinion on the matter

Cheers,

Andr�

Also bump to top due to Mortie's stupidity.

Well

I just came home from the range and the failure rate was 25 % exactly. I shot 40 shots and had 10 duds. And that was with the Kynoch ammo that was double checked by David Little from Kynamco. so I am thinking It must be the rifle.
Back to dealing with Heym and the distributor

Sometime it is not easy beeing a Big bore chap
The precision was nice 10" diameter at 200 meter, standing of hand naturally.

Cheers,

Andr�

Will do JOHAN I have quite a selection I love islay

Happy birthday I will toast you tonight and try to drown my sorrows.
I am really starting to dislike Heym. Maybe I should take the gunsmith that made my rifle to a work site in the north sea 150 meters deep ! And leave him with my rifle and some tools. I can do better work underwater then he can do top side. That bastard, I guess quality control went right out the window that day at Heym.

Cheers,

Andr�

Please keep us informed of your progress.

This should serve as a stark reminder to folks contemplating a rifle chambered in a cartridge for which either no standard, or several 'standards', exist.

George

Sorry about the problems you're having. Looks like a beautiful rife otherwise. Here's a pic I've posted before (top) of a SIG Mauser in 500 Jeff for comparative purposes. Don't know if they feed any better or not.

...fwiw, i was perusing some older editions of the shooting sportsman yesterday, and can across a neat article in the sep-oct 03 edition that discussed the regenesis of the w.j. jeffery firm...

...seems as if a group of eminent ph's were discussing the ideal african battery (turnbolts), and came up with the following: light = 7mm rem. mag...medium = .416 rigby...heavy = .500 jeffery...

...apparently, this gave rise to an order with paul roberts (who recently sold the rigby rights to the pr people) for 10 .500 jeffery's, and, in the process, resurrecting the w.j. firm...

...already have 2 of the 3 of the ideal battery of turnbolts, and would be keen to explore the possibility of adding the .500 jeffery but for the problems you have noted...am interested to see how this saga eventually plays itself out...

...that quite an attractive pair of rifles that you have there...is the bottom rifle also a sig mauser 98?...in what calibre?...tia...

Thomas- unfortunately they're not mine. The SIG rep at the Las Vegas gun show was kind enough to allow me to take pics. The top rifle (the 500) runs about $13K, the bottom is a 375 or 416, can't remember for sure, but around $10K retail.

...appreciate the response, in any case...

...i looked at the then newly released sig 98s at the sci convention in 02...thought the rifles were well balanced, actioned smoothly, and attractive enough...but also thought the sig was somewhat pricey for a 98 clone...

Hallo FLA3006

According to Wolfgang Romey the (SIG) mauser in .500 Jeffery is in fact a 12,7X70 Sch�ler and not a Jeffery.


Why I do not know, maybe that standard is more "safe"

Cheers,

Andr�

Thomas,



Gottfried Precthl in Germany also makes 500 Jefferys:



http://www.golmatic.de/Waffen___Arms/MAUSER_MAGNUM/mauser_magnum.html



I think they start around Euro 6000.



Erik D.

JOHAN if I could turn back time I would not get the Heym naturaly. I like the look of the Raimer Johansen and the Precht but the also cost more, if precht can make a .500 cal for 6000 euro then they might be worth checking out.
But JOHAN who would by my rifle ? I would hate to sell sombody a dud rifle.
but I am thinking about doing something in the near future.
But what ???


Cheers,

Andr�

Andr�,

I've been going through my e-mails from Prechtl, and as far as I've understood, his "Big Game" rifles start around 6000. But then a 500 Jeffery might be a few hundred Euro more. At least R. Johannsens rifles (which start around Euro 8500) look to be only a couple of hundred more for a 500 Jeffery compaired to say a 404 Jeffery or 416 Rigby according to the price list I have from him.
I can't be sure, but I have the impression that Johannsens prices might be a bit inflated because of the name he has built. The same perhaps with Ritterbursch (starts around 9850 Euro). Or maybe I'm wrong. No matter what, all 3 makers undoubtably build very nice rifles!

Erik D.

The XO concurs but I have the Raimer Johansen booklet with prices and the .500 Jeffery is around 9500 Euro and then you need a few options, Right

But they are nice no doubt about that.

But from the look and price I would go for Precht. But usualy their is a price increase when it comes to 500 cal and more the a couple of 100 Euros. But I will lok into it.

Cheers,

Andr�

...appreciate the suggestion...

...the precthl 98's are certainly attractive rifles, and reasonably priced...have no idea tho how one would go about importing into the states, obtaining followup service or mounting a scope on the precthl base...

most german gunmakers use EAW mounts or Einhak.
And the paperwork should not be a problem I will bet ya that thei are eager to sell a rifle.
I will contact them on monday and check out the details, and then post the facts.


Andr�

Thomas,

I have no idea about importing a rifle to the States, but I'm sure that if you asked Prechtl ( or Johannsen or any other european rifle builder), he'd know, as I presume they have all done that before. His prices are pretty good, but then that is of course without engravings etc. Depending on what your tastes are, things can quickly get more expensive!

When it comes to scope mounts, Prechtl machines in Recknagel bases into the square bridges which together with rings adds up to about Euro 500 if one wants. He says the Recknagel system is even more stable than the EAW.

Erik D.

...that would be great...perhaps i can even convince my dealer (who is about to become a heym distributor) to look into this...

HEYM do not mention that name. I was just in such a good mude

Andr�

Andr�,

We must have differant price lists from Johannsen.
Mine has:

"Safari" rifle in 375H&H / 416 Rigby for Euro 8358,-
338 Lapua / 404 Jeff / 450 Rigby for 8647,-
500 Jeffery for 8938,-

OK, it was 600,- more for the .500 and not just a "couple"!

Then the "Professional" is 8490,- for a 500 Jeffery.

And then there are the options...

Since my price list is cheaper than yours, I like mine the best! At least drooling at the pictures in his brochure is for free...

Erik D.

I concur lets use your prices.
I will bet you that the rifles in the pictures cost more.
I have seen Johansens rifles at cabelas and they do not have that quality wood, not even close.
And for 9000 E it should. Right ?

Cheers,

Andr�

Andr�,



Here's an offer I recieved from Dirk Johannsen (Reimers son, who works with his dad.):



"Johannsen Magnum Rifle �Tradition�



Double Square Bridge, without thumbcut, singe set trigger, three position

safety with horizontal lever, low bolt handle expecially suitable for

scope mount, EAW integral mount bases, Express sight with 2 leaves,

safari-style stock, with oil finish.



Caliber: .375 H&H

Number: J30597

Barrel length: 590mm

Over all length: 1140mm

Weight: 4.350kg



D 8.899,--

Options:

Rings for scope mount 30mm 256,--

Exhibition grade wood 0,--

high gloss finish, all pores filled 970,--

--------------------

d 10.125,--"



Too expensive for me though...















Erik D.

Is that the rifle on the picture ?
Nice but like a thicker forend the finich is top draw.

Lovely rifle but it is 10.000 for a 375 imagine what a .500 Jeffery would cost

Cheers,

Andr�

Ahh! But you see, the "Tradition" model is their most expensive compaired to the "Safari" and "Professional" (base prices). The 500 should therefor with the same "options" be about the same according to my pricelist.
And yes, the price is for the the pictured rifle.

Erik D.

Erik

Her is a picture of my 375 H&H mag.
It is a Winchester pre-64 super grade from 1949
I finished the stock myself with oil. it took forever.

Cheers old chap,

Andr�

Price 1100 $

Andr�

Andr�,

That's a very nice rifle you have!

I must admit that my fingers are getting itchy waiting to get my hands on the .375H&H Mag. Mauser Prechtl will soon be sending up to me! Should be ready in a couple of weeks when the scope mounts are ready and all the paperwork etc is finished!

Erik D.

Did you order one ?
I do not know everything that goes on in this forum, Sorry

Tell me more

Andr�

Yes, the commemorative mag. mauser he had is coming home to me!

Erik D.

Dear Ulrik

When you by a rifle in a caliber that is CIP the rifle should be able to fire factory ammo.
Heym was also told that I would use kynoch ammo and the rifle eas tested with it at Heym but the problem is stil there.
A rifle that can shoot factory ammo is also worth more on the used rifle marked, and in the field (if it is a common caliber)

Your 577 T-rex projekt sounds nice
What is the weight of your rifle ?
Do you have a clasic stock not the 2X4 (A-Square)

Cheers,

Andr�

Andre,
I agree 100% with you that the rifle from Heym should work properly. I have hear a lot of these problems regarding Heym. Even Saeed had some problems with his Heym in 600 NE - they had to turn the rim down on the brass case to be able to chamber the cartridges.. Not what one would expect from a quite expensive rifle..

Regarding your rifle - why not have a chamber casting made. Send that casting to a custom brass manufacturer like Dieter Horneber in Germany. He will be able to make what you need..

And regarding the 577 Tyrannosaur - weight will be around 6 kg /13 Ibs and NO it will not have that A-Square stock. A classic stock will be made for it.. (of quite large dimensions of course..!)

Hallo Big bore fans

I spoke to the distributor today and he told me that he on my behalf would once again contact Heym and take care of it.
Lets se if he can do just that.
I will keep you posted.

Cheers,

Andr�

Ulrik

I have plenty of brass 220 from Wolfgang Romey. 120 of allready fired they where 12,7X70 Sch�ler and worked fine but where tight to chamber. I will reload them.
I also have 150 Kynoch cases from kynamco. 80 fired.
The ones I fire will work fine i the chamber when reloaded with my Triebel die set.
The problem now is with the rifle, I think, not the cartridges.

Cheers,

Andr�

I agree. There is seemingly some discrepancy between the reamer and the brass dimensions - (12,7 Schuler/500 Jeff. confusion).
The problem should be Heyms, not yours !
I wish you good luck.
Looking forward to see the outcome in this case (especially regarding the level of customerservice at Heym..)

Ulrik

What customerservice they have non. I drove down there once the second time my rifle had problems with the smoothness of the bolt and some other small stuff. They where very rude and it was like I had to prove what was wrong. The drive is 1000 kim each way.
I furthermore confronted then with the firing problems at IWA last month, and their attitude was not what you would expect, when you buy a 7000 Euro rifle


I have had the chamber checked and it is 500 Jeffery CIP specs.