If I want a dangerous game rifle that shoots a bullet larger than .458" and pushes a 600 grain bullet in the 2250 to 2350 FPS range, what options do I have?
Thanks.

Maybe a 470 Capstick and definitely a 505 Gibbs or 500 Jeff. Oh yeah, 470 Mbogo.

I think a .470 Capstick will do that.

George

Just ask George about his pic with the 470 Capstick. He and 500grains amongst others have 'em and used them on game.

capstick.. not a chance, 600 at 2300...



470mbogo!!!!

the various 460 weatherby based .510s

500 jeffe? 2300? I am not certain



550 MAGNUM!!! )))))



jeffe



PS

Just check QL on the 470 ACKLEY (samething).. 600grain barnes, 65000 PSI, 24" barrel, 3.8" oal... 2145



500gr barnes, same scenero, 2395



jeffe

I get 2267fps from a .470 Capstick with 24" bbl. The load is the 600 grain Barnes with Fed 215 primer, Bell cases and 90 grains of IMR 4320.

OK, J, I neglected to mention your baby. How 'bout this, the 550!

.470 CAPSTICK.....5 in the magazine in a CZ550.

In my opinion, the 470 capstick is better suited to 500 grain bullets than to 600 grain bullets. The 600 grainers protrude down into the case, limiting powder capacity.

If you really must have 600 grains, then I would suggest a .500 A-Square (460 wby necked up to .510).

Or maybe the .550 mag (460 wby necked up to .550).

I agree with 500 Grains in regard to the Capstick but the Mbogo is a much bigger case. The 600 grain .50 caliber bullets, especially the mono's, are a good pairing with the big Gibbs casing, as one can get 2,300+ fps with a moderate load. I put a 600 grain Barnes Super Solid through a healthy mopane tree something like 16 inches thick. This combination of bullet weight, diameter, velocity and penetration is hard to match @ 7000 foot pounds.

Basically you are stuck with the famous 500A2. The 470 MBOGO is an alternative, but the 500a2 is king in this catagory!

Hi Recoilpad,
If your looking for the 600 grain bullets then as Nick mentioned as well as 500 Grains, go for the 500 A-Square. If you want a cartridge that is more shootable for the average seasoned shooter then look at the Capstick or the 470 Mbogo. I've loaded and shot 540 Grain bullets out of mine at 2400 fps without any problem. Didn't you post about one shot with your existing big boar or do I have that mixed up. If so keep away from the 500 A-Square and 600 grain bullets.
Take good care
Dave

Thanks all for the replies.

Dave (470Mbogo), you are correct. That was me with the one shot big bore (.450 Rigby in a Ruger #1). I will be meeting Jeffeosso this summer and we will shoot this gun together. I have been trying to do pushups and pullups to get ready for the recoil. Only problem is my stomach won't let me go all of the way down for a correct pushup. That's okay because I can't make it back up any ways. Also, everytime I try to do a pullup, the tree limb breaks. I have a feeling that I wouldn't be able to one any ways. But I am trying to get in shape so I can handle big bores. I would love to have a big bore over .458", but limit it to 600 grains at 2300 to 2350 fps. I understand that this combo will take any dangerous game (with added insurance)if the shooter does his/her part.

Thanks again for the replies. I plan to take a digital camera with me when I meet Jeffeosso this summer with .450 Rigby. This way I can post some of the pictures.

Hey RecoilPad,
it's mostly in your mind (heh heh heh)

We'll load some powderpuffs and work up from there.

I think that anyone that wants to can manage recoil, to any level they WANT to... it may involve restocking or adding weight, but it can be done.

Then again, a 416 rem has exactly the same recoil as a 458 winchester, same weight, bullet, stock... perhaps more if you buy the more powder=more recoil. And some of those fellas insist on a light gun... which adds to felt recoil.

I've got a buddy, who is kind of a mentor, who says "you know that saying, that you carry them more than you shoot them"... "yeah"... "the "carry" part is true, but the damn of it is if you KNOW that 8.5# 416 is going to kick the snot out of you, and you've carried it for miles, what makes you think you wouldnt flinch THEN just as bad as you would at the range"

Good point...

If a fella can't carry a 10# rifle all day... well, he needs to walk about, with a 18# "the pole" exercise weight bar... and hold his rifle till his arms shake...

Oh well, what do I know?

jeffe

Hi Recoilpad,
I was able to shoot with Jeff down at his range on a stop over flight from Nicaragua. You'll have a good time with Jeff. His buddy Mike has a 470 Mbogo also. Maybe you can have a big bore field day. Jeff's 500 is pretty nice to shoot. You guys have a good time.
Take good care,
Dave

you should check out the .500 AHR.

Any of the 0.475" caliber derivatives of the 416 Rigby case or 460 Weatherby. The 500 Jeffery would be pushing the pressure envelope for the brass available, the 500 AHR can do what you want, the 505 Gibbs can to it to, brass won't be an issue for either one (use a slow powder you have plenty of case capacity), the 500 NE can do it if shot in a single shot rifle (Ruger No1 comes immediately to mind), the 500 A Square/510 Wells, of course the 50 BMG can get you there, the 585 Nyati, 577 T Rex, 585 AHR, 600-577, 577 NE, 600 NE, 700 NE, etc.

500grains,

Quote:

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Brass most certainly will be an issue if you use Bertram brass, and Bertram is the only maker of 500 AHR brass, so expect sticky extraction or even stuck cases.

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Please provide your data to support this bogus claim! Yes BOGUS, just like you! Speak ONLY when you know of what you speak! Hell you are famous for spouting off about your 2300 fps load with a 750 grain bullet in the 585 Nyati using Bertram brass. That is a 50,000 psi load easily! Do you have to hammer your bolt open?

I know for a fact that you can get 2300 fps with 600gr bullets in the 505 Gibbs and 500 AHR in Bertram brass without incidence. I have either shot these loads or witnessed them being shot. The velocities were established via chronograph! No neither rifle was mine, but I still witnessed the event, which was repeated I might add for over 20 rounds in each cartridge. The recorded pressures for these loads were mid 40,000 psi range for the 500 and low 40,000 psi range for the 505.

high pressures,high OAT and a hot rifle can mean the potential for stuck rifles in Africa.I believe the Bertram brass issue is overstated.I'll take my chances with the .500 AHR over the .500 A2.

Bob,

500grains is perhaps the most famous imbecile on AR. He continually contradicts himself and later covers up his contradictions with even more contradictions. Does that make any sense???

Bob,
i hadn't read, do you have an ahr? I have a 500 jeffe-ry, and was able to shoot both BB and deiter's brass.. The bertram was far softer and didn't last as many reloads

That being said, if one stays at classic load pressures, the brass seems to last "okay" if you either reload them several times and/or load them warmer, the brass will not last as long. Of course, that's good for bertram, for selling more brass.

Of course, if I was not nicknamed "jeffe" I would never have built the 500 jeffe... it would have been a 500 a2 or 510 wells.. for several reasons.. brass cost and availablity, for the largest reasons.

however you choose, I expect that a 500 gr bullet, or so, with an sd of 300, or so, moving at least 2100fps , will kill anything that walks

jeffe

Now I know who is into rough sex and who isn't!! The masoquist are out in numbers tonite!!

Well you are true to form! Meltdown??? A meltdown must be "code" for oh no they are asking for FACTS!

Easy decision. CZ is supposed to be bringing out a CZ550 in 505 Gibbs. I would like to buy one ,to support the companies who have the balls to bring out lower priced big bores in different calibers. A 505 Gibbs would fit the bill well.

I am with you on this one CR500 I want to get two of them if at all possible...1 to use and one to save for good

Now that Woodleigh is making 550g bullets for the 458 Lott, it would be real nice if they would make some for the 470 Capstick. 550g bullets might be the sweet spot for the 470 Capstick. A 550g bullet at 2200 fps pretty much matches the 500 NE load except for bullet diameter.



Chuck

Johan,
I'm with you but your won't get 2350 with a 600 gr. bullet from any of your choice calibers, and for that you can be greateful!

I suppose the 500 AHR, Nyati and the perhaps the .460 Wby would do that.

In the meantime I will stay with the 416 Rem, 450-400-3", as my big guns and try to get by as best I can.

I'd say the 458 American Safri lott Does it with 500 gr bullets AND pushes the 550gr bullet to 2125 fps. Can't find any 600 gr bullets for the lott and I don't shoot those barnes bullets.

Stats on ISS's 550 Gibbs.

ammo
615gr bullet
2480 FPS
135gr powder
11 lb rifle (?)

recoil
128 Ft #s @ 27fps

Please see attached Picture


A 470 Capstick round dropped down the muzzle end
will travel all the way through the barrel. Saw it demo-ed Sunday!

you guys! I think you like posting this picture more than I enjoy seeing it. It IS pretty cool though. Now to get Jeffe to post it as my avatar for me.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

No thank you! A 470 Capstick, as puny as it it may be, is as far as I plan to go in the recoil department ... lol

Great picture,

Chuck

If you're not afraid of recoil, then the .500 A-Square meets all the criteria you set forth in your post. In addition, they are very easy to build. All you need to do is pick up a CZ in .416 Rigby (preferably one with a laminated stock for the added strength) and send it to Ed Plummer at AHR and they can convert it to .500 A-Square for you without any fuss whatsoever. A .500 A-Square is about the easiest of the really big hammers to put together.

Dave