It is truly a pleasure to meet new friends from this forum who share similar interests. Today JudgeG visited for a trip to the range and general hot air session . He was complaining that the Scope rings were not centered on his CZ full stock .223. I should have told him that I would take this obviously defective piece of junk off his hands, but I made the mistake of letting him shoot it after we worked on the rings a bit. Here are the two groups that he shot at one hundred yards, both right at .5" for three shots. All in all, one of the most accurate full stock rifles that I have seen.





To make this a relevant post for the big bore forum I will include a target that I shot with my 1952 vintage Jeffery in 375 H&H. This was with a ghost ring aperture Parker Hale receiver sight at 50 yards, so I was rather pleased with the grouping of the 270 grain "blems". We also both shot rather good groups with my Rodda 450/400 3". Between the "junky" CZ and the "blem" bullets it was a most enjoyable day at the range !!!



Jim

Mbogo375 didn't tell the whole story. I drove two hours to shoot my 9.3x62 full stock Mauser, and brought a box of 50 .358 JDJ reloads. Wouldn't quit fit. Then, the darn Millet rings on the CZ 527 FS, when installed made the scope point towards the Polaris, albeit, during the daytime. I kept fooling with the darn things, until I said a few words, not appropiate on Sunday... or any other day of the week. So... after 120 miles, I had nothing that worked..

Mbogo then pulled out a .450 3/14" N.E. double and told me I could buy it for less than a double wide. Only problem is that the bores slug at .454. It's proofed for 480 grains and 70 of cordite... a light little thing. Less than 9 pounds. Points like a skinny bird dog, though. The price was right and then Mbogo pulled out a target shot at 35 yards with 405 grain bullets at 2100 fps. About as wide as my thumb. Right and Left.... I wonder if paper patched bullets a little smaller than .454 would do? Or .454 Casaul? or how ever you spell it? I'm not too worried about "softs being .004 to large, but solids worry me. Paper-patching solids .435 in diameter, could work.. couldn't it???? Assuming that they'd regulate... but everything in that rifle does???

I fooled with the mounts on the .223 CZ for over an hour... then gave up and shot. The first group is with 50 grain hollow points at 3200 f.p.s. or so.. the second is with Winchester factory 63 grain soft points that the big W folks say are fine for small deer. I guess I can't complain about the accuracy.

Darn CZ's... they'll grow on you.

[ 07-07-2003, 16:41: Message edited by: JudgeG ]

Judge - when you say paper patch - you get my attention. It's really the only way to fly in my book. If the rifle is throated, a groove+ 0.001 or 0.002" diameter bullet (after patching) will do it fine. There are many papers available, and many bullets. If your meant that land diameter was .454 then a bullet of .443-.446 can work depending on what paper you use. If groove diameter diameter is .454, then a thinner paper is called for. It is best to know both your land and groove diameters for several reasons but just generally speaking, with that silly fake powder most folks prefer - you would want a bullet that is about the diameter as the lands, and then paper that will thicken it up to the diameter of the grooves + a smidge. If you shoot real black powder you have more options since it will obdurate the bullets better (assuming lead).

You might check out my website and also Paul Matthew's book (the Paper Jacket). Matthew's did a lot of paper patching with that substitute powder - I've only used the real thing.

Brent

My paper patch bullets.

I'm setting here lusting for the Jefferys 375!!

Ray,

I wondered if you would remember this rifle. It shoots even better with 300 grain Swift A-Frames

Jim





[ 07-09-2003, 08:15: Message edited by: mbogo375 ]

I thought McMillan quit making their stocks with the wood-grain finish.

Bill,

Remember, we are not talking about a NEW rifle. It could have been made before McMillan stopped production .

Jim