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Some states are now voting or debating the use of suppressors for hunting rifles. I have heard you would have to have a federal permit from the ATF to legally own one. I do not like muzzle breaks because all my guns are loud enough. Hearing protection is great on the range but not for hunting. I have tried one brand of hearing amplification that blocks very loud noise. I heard too much wind and extra noise to use them while still hunting. My question is will a muzzle break reduce recoil with a suppressor in one unit? In other words reduce both sound and felt recoil at the same time? | ||
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Yes. If you go to Advanced Armament's website you can see some attachment devices that incorporate muzzle break designs. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Rug, Muzzle brakes/expansion chambers/porting reduce felt recoil by redirecting gases. Noise signature increases where the gases are redirected. A suppressor reduces noise signature by directing gases into baffles, so the report is diminished. However, it does not reduce the 'crack' of a bullet that exceeds the speed of sound (~1080fps at sea level). If you were to (legally) attach a big-bore suppressor to your rifle, you would reduce the noise signature of the report and felt recoil some due to the additional weight added to the rifle. George  | |||
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According to a gunsmith I know you can reduce recoil up to 60%. But then again all he does now is make suppressors. Thier are that many people wanting them now. 1 shot 1 thrill | |||
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60% reduction of recoil ??? Not in the real world ! Theoretically 25% max AFAIK but I did see some test info recently that had far less than 25%. Perceived reduction varies depending on design as they usually set it to reduce muzzle rise which helps. | |||
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A suppressed big bore will reduce the sound signiture, reduce felt recoil slightly due to its weight and often improve accuracy. Muzzle breaks depending on design can be EXTREMLY efficient and some have also been designed to REDUCE the sound signiture slightly(NFA item obviously). The problem with BIg Bore suppressors is the size trade off due to the gas volume involved.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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If your state legalizes this then yes, you could get a muzzle break that would also reduce the sound signature. It would require the federal $200 tax stamp. However, as Robgunbuilder said the weight issue is enormous when talking big bores and suppressors. What is realistic is finding a CII manufacturer (there is a huge cottage industry of them) that would build you a break that would be at least as quiet as an unbreaked rifle, probably quieter just not quiet. This is not the board to look for the CII mfgs, PM me and I will refer you to the right place on the net. | |||
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Thanks for the info. I must have been dreaming to want a 460 wby that kicks like a 308 and sounds like a 22 mag all at about 7 lbs  | |||
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Pick any two... "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Dispite having some of the toughest gun laws in the world her in the UK sound moderators / suppressors are common place. So much so that I would suspect that the majority of hunting rfiles are moderated. Some estates and all Government owned land they are a requirement to comply with Health & Safety requirements. They do provide a big reduction in noise signature, felt recoil and muzzle flip. The reduction is remarkable the 338LM suppressed is like shooting a lightly loaded 243 and a moderated 243 just doesnt move. All of my hunting rifles are moderated and have been for almost 10 years now. | |||
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You can easily have a 460 wby that kicks like a .22LR and has the same sound signature. Its just gonna weigh 50LBS. I have a .50BMG that recoils less than a .22LR and has about the same report (suppressed) it weighs 100lbs. Suppressors are good tools but can get pretty big when you have alot of gas to deal with. they are made of steel, aluminum or titanium for a reason. You don't want a huge weight hanging off your 26 inch barrel!-rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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To touch on your original question about the federal permit; No you do not need one there is a bunch of paperwork to be filled out, pay the tax and wait about 2 to 3 months. It’s all about the taxes. Fill out the paper work pay the tax and you can have it. But if you ever sell, the buyer will have to do the same and pay another $200.00 tax. We should call our senators office every day until they pass legislation to remove this barrier. If this does not work call them five times a day, or make it a campaign issue. | |||
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In my experience, a suppressor reduces recoil more than 25%, and comparable to a brake. And I've shot a large variety of guns suppressed and braked. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.  | |||
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