Why isn't the 450 Rigby more popular

09 June 2010, 04:02

Idaho Sharpshooter

BAD JEFFE!!! Go to your room!

Recoil is a lot of stock design. I shoot my CZ 450 Dakota with the 500gr bullets at about 2370fps. That's where Swift A-Frames and old-style Barnes single driving band solids make a six-shot group under 3" at 200 yds. I can shoot about twenty rounds off a bench before my eyes start to cross and groups get big.

Rich
DRSS

09 June 2010, 04:10

surestrike

I played with a maxed out .450 Rigby built on a M-70. I have to say that I found it on the verge of violent and getting uncontrollable for me to shoot. But in my estimation if you'd back it off to about 2300 FPS with a 500 gr load you'd have a sweetheart at relatively low pressure.

I think it's a neat round but much like the Weatherby .460 I don't don't see any need to max it out.

09 June 2010, 04:13

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
BAD JEFFE!!! Go to your room!

Recoil is a lot of stock design. I shoot my CZ 450 Dakota with the 500gr bullets at about 2370fps. That's where Swift A-Frames and old-style Barnes single driving band solids make a six-shot group under 3" at 200 yds. I can shoot about twenty rounds off a bench before my eyes start to cross and groups get big.

Rich
DRSS

okay -- so lightweight AND bad stock design ...

Or are you telling me the 45/70 is NOW a bigbore? (please note, the disopsal can be utilized to destroy your man card, rich .. HEH)

09 June 2010, 06:27

465H&H

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Bush:
quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
To answer your question "Why isn't the 450 Rigby more popular?". I can do that in one word. "RECOIL!"

465H&H

That's the price you pay for PERFORMANCE!

Butr why pay for something you don't need? Sounds like health care to me.

465H&H

09 June 2010, 08:57

Idaho Sharpshooter

it would be on a reality show. Several million American Bison thought it was a big-bore. So did two Cape Buffalo standing one behind the other that Brian Pearce killed with one shot from an 1895 Marlin at about forty yards. What's the ME of a 500gr bullet at 1800+fps?

Rich
DRSS

09 June 2010, 08:58

Idaho Sharpshooter

Then why does 465H&H own both a .465 H&H AND a .470 NE in Double Rifle form?

Rich
DRSS

09 June 2010, 19:14

465H&H

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Then why does 465H&H own both a .465 H&H AND a .470 NE in Double Rifle form?

Rich
DRSS

What?

465H&H

09 June 2010, 19:24

Idaho Sharpshooter

by 465: "why pay for something you don't need?".

teasing you about owning two big bore doubles, and saying something about the above quote.

Rich

09 June 2010, 20:13

Dave Bush

quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Bush:
quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
To answer your question "Why isn't the 450 Rigby more popular?". I can do that in one word. "RECOIL!"

465H&H

That's the price you pay for PERFORMANCE!

Butr why pay for something you don't need? Sounds like health care to me.

465H&H

Then we should all be shooting a .375.

09 June 2010, 20:21

eezridr

465,

I believe JPK said once that you have quite a bit of experience with elephants. Care to elaborate?
Nothing like hearing from someone in the know! What have you found to be most effective?

EZ

09 June 2010, 21:24

465H&H

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Then why does 465H&H own both a .465 H&H AND a .470 NE in Double Rifle form?

Rich
DRSS

Ok Rich my friend, wake up have another cup of coffee and I will explain. The original question was 'Why isn't the 450 Rigby more popular?" I replied because it had more recoil than most people will tolerate so it would never be very popular. Dave Bush responded with "That's the price you pay for performance." I then responded why pay for something (recoil) that you don't need (added performance).

To answer eezirider's question as to what I found works on elephant, it is what the old African hands have been saying for over 100 years. A 458 or larger caliber bullet weighing 480 to 500 grains and traveling 2,150 fps. That has worked perfectly for me as well as thousands of past and present hunters. That formula can be had in an easy to carry rifle of 7.5 to 10 lbs., either a double or magazine rifle. I don't need or want more recoil than what a 465 or 470 generates, nor more velocity. I am not willing to pay for more velocity or bullet weight for that matter by the required added recoil or carrying weight.

465H&H

10 June 2010, 02:21

<Mike McGuire>

quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Then why does 465H&H own both a .465 H&H AND a .470 NE in Double Rifle form?

Rich
DRSS

Ok Rich my friend, wake up have another cup of coffee and I will explain. The original question was 'Why isn't the 450 Rigby more popular?" I replied because it had more recoil than most people will tolerate so it would never be very popular. Dave Bush responded with "That's the price you pay for performance." I then responded why pay for something (recoil) that you don't need (added performance).

To answer eezirider's question as to what I found works on elephant, it is what the old African hands have been saying for over 100 years. A 458 or larger caliber bullet weighing 480 to 500 grains and traveling 2,150 fps. That has worked perfectly for me as well as thousands of past and present hunters. That formula can be had in an easy to carry rifle of 7.5 to 10 lbs., either a double or magazine rifle. I don't need or want more recoil than what a 465 or 470 generates, nor more velocity. I am not willing to pay for more velocity or bullet weight for that matter by the required added recoil or carrying weight.

465H&H

all you are saying would be true IF all these guns of 375 and up were purchased just for Africa.

What made the CZ 416 Rigby (and Ruger) popular , at least in the context of big bores is it gave an alternative to the Wby Mark V in 378 and 460 for a rifle that uses a real big cartidge but at much lower prices than a Wby. A CZ in 416 is only like buying an M70 in 270.

If CZ put out the 450 Rigby in their standard rifle and Ruger the same you would see the 416 Rigby take a big hit in sales and also the 458 Lott.

One of the reasons the 460 Wby is quite popular is because in the context of Wby Mark V pricing and Wby prices for brass and ammo, the 460 is not all that much more expensive than other Wbys.

10 June 2010, 04:23

Idaho Sharpshooter

Mea Culpa. I forgot to distinguish between "need" and "desire".

Need is why young guys want to get laid as often as possible.
Desire is why they would prefer Selma Hyek to Roseanne Barr.

Rich
DRSS

10 June 2010, 04:41

465H&H

Never heard of either of them. Are they PHs?

465H&H

10 June 2010, 05:15

Sid Post

quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
Never heard of either of them. Are they PHs?

465H&H

10 June 2010, 05:26

jeffeosso

one is a mountable trophy, the other should be used for hyenia bait... as hippos aren't canibalistic

17 June 2010, 09:59

Oldsarge

I had a .450 Rigby built clear back in '99, first one on the Left Coast. It weighs 10.25 lbs. Anyone who thinks it kicks too much must be trying for MOA groups off the bench. Under those circumstances it will loosen your teeth. However, in my five safaris I have yet to locate a bench rest in the bush. Once you've got the monster sighted in (and what is this with DGR's and scopes? If you're shooting buff at 200 yards, they ain't dangerous!), stand on you hind legs and shoot like a man. You will be shooting off sticks in Africa most of the time, get used to it. And there really isn't any need to be able to shoot more than a five shot string at the range anyway. If you need more shots than that in the field you will be so sh*t-faced scared, you won't feel a thing. Great stuff, adrenaline . . .

17 June 2010, 18:58

Dave Bush

quote:
Originally posted by Oldsarge:
I had a .450 Rigby built clear back in '99, first one on the Left Coast. It weighs 10.25 lbs. Anyone who thinks it kicks too much must be trying for MOA groups off the bench. Under those circumstances it will loosen your teeth. However, in my five safaris I have yet to locate a bench rest in the bush. Once you've got the monster sighted in (and what is this with DGR's and scopes? If you're shooting buff at 200 yards, they ain't dangerous!), stand on you hind legs and shoot like a man. You will be shooting off sticks in Africa most of the time, get used to it. And there really isn't any need to be able to shoot more than a five shot string at the range anyway. If you need more shots than that in the field you will be so sh*t-faced scared, you won't feel a thing. Great stuff, adrenaline . . .