Hey guys, I know many of you here already have 416 Taylor's, or have had in the past, so have some questions. Getting ready to have one built for a surprise gift for my stepfather, the last rifle he thinks he will ever want (has wanted for years and years). I am going to attempt the stocking of it myself, he likes a straight comb, no cheekpiece affair like classic american sporting rifles of 50 years ago.

Questions are this:
1. Quality Cartridge brass, is it any good? they have it with correct headstamp.
2. He had mentioned to me at one point a 340g. bullet he wanted to try if he ever got a Taylor, any idea who makes one? I only found the woodleigh on Midway and I am almost positive that wasn't the one he was thinking.
3. Anything with the throating that I should have done? I think my smith will just use a 338 reamer and then run a 416 neck reamer into it. I just didn't know if the standard dimensions had a long enough neck for the selection of 400 grain bullets we have available now.

thanks guys.

Red

Red,
the QC brass, in 416t and 470 mbogo, are great, in my opinion, and i have handled and shot both of those.

hmm, on the reamer, can't the smith jsut rent one?

400gr horn sp's, 2200 and up, wow, that's right there with the 404 and 425


jeffe

Jeffe,

thanks bud. I am going to order some brass and maybe even pickup the RCBS dies since they are on sale, depends on what the budget looks like for the month, I have my personal spending money earmarked this month to go somewhere, but my mom and the wife have said they would contribute as well.

on the reamer, I guess it could be rented, but he has built a few of the taylors doing it this way so I didn't see a reason for the extra trouble and expense. I am going to go with the 458 brass necked down to 416 though (aside from the 20rds. of proper headstamped stuff) since I read here that it is easier than necking the 338 brass up.

What do you guys think I should have it stamped, 416 Taylor or 416 Chatfield-Taylor? I am going to go to the wildcats book I have at home tonight and re-read up on it.

Thanks again Jeffe!

Red

The Taylor is a good cartridge and I used one a lot prior to the advent of the much better 416 Remington...

Why would anyone want a wildcat that won't duplicate a factory round..If you lose a suitcase your out of luck for ammo, not so with the 416 Rem..just go buy a box or two.

You can load the 416 Rem down to duplicate the Chatfield- Taylor but not visa versa, you can use same action for both, bolt throw is less than 1/2 inch difference...It just makes little since to me these days to own any wildcat.

Unless your just using it locally, then its probably not a problem.

But the bottom line is its all about personal choice, so to each his own..

I don't know if the Remington would work on an 03a3 springfield, which is what this is going to be on, and like you said, personal choice, as he could go with a cz550 in Rigby or a 404 jeffrey on the same action. but the 416 Taylor does a good job from everything ihave read, and he has wanted one for years. I like wildcats, provided you remember to take ammo with you :-)

It is going to be a cool thing, as I have never seen a Taylor on anything other than mod70's and mausers. going to come up with the list tonight. when he was talking about it the other day he said he would have one without iron sights, only setup with scope, so I am not sure if I am going to override that or not. if I do it will be a receiver peep or something along with the front sight.

Red

Handloader put out a book, I believe titled Bigbore Rifles and Cartridges. There is an article on both the 416 Taylor, and on a 416-338 mag. As I recall, there are minor differences between chamber dimensions. I'd be much more concerned about the smiths cabalities then whether he used a 338 win mag to cut the body, then when back with a necker/throater, then if he used a Taylor reamer and did a poor job.

The round was designed to use 400 gr bullets, so there shouldn't be a problem with the neck or throat.

I keep thinking about getting a 416 Taylor built, but then keep coming back to the 458 which is so much more versatile.

Not sure about 340 gr bullets, but there are some good 350's out there, which would certainly be highly effective on all NA game.

DagoRed,

Midway had some Taylor dies on sale last week or so--might be worth checking out.

www.Midwayusa.com

I like my taylor. Hornaday use to make a 416 340grspbt I don't think they list it any more. I saw them in a 95 handloader digest I belive. I wish I could still get some to try in mine they most likely would make a good elk round. You can buy proper head stamped brass but they are a little expensive for me around $1.50 or so a case. I use winchester 458 brass easy to form and a lot cheaper.

HI,

Many of the gentlemen here have more experience than I do, but maybe a 416 Rem would be better although I do like the Taylor.The 416 rem brass cheap and alot of it, load it hotter and action length still short.Both are great, but if I were to due a 416 I would go with the Rem, oh the hell with it get both,Kev

The 416 Rem will work fine on a good Springfield action..but of course thats up to you and I only mentioned it in passing as when one travels abroad these days about any little thing might set some customs agent off....and in a foriegn country travel ammo gets lost or delayed more often than we like, and with a wildcat your hunt could be ruined, or reduced to using a PH rifle which in many cases is real junk, trust me on this one.

have thought about this, getting ammo in Africa, but as we (if he went to africa I would be there too) would never go anywhere without a backup gun, and right now my pair would be my 458 Lott and my 375 H&H, hopefully neither of those would ever be hard to find ammo for. :-)

No, if I weren't having a wildcat built I would buy factory.

What bullets do you all find work well in the 340-400g. weight range? Any favorite loads?

Red

My rifle likes 70grs of H4835 behind a 370gr North Fork.

Ray, what gunsmiths open up a Springfield action to take the .416 Remington? The one I have is serial #304XXXX, is this considered a "good" action for this cartirdge? Thanks.

KMule,

Oops, that's a typo, which is why internet loads should be carefully scrutinized!!!

Of course I meant H4895. Thanks...