Well I have just had the rechambering job done on my Ruger #1 to .458 Lott, tried it out on fri I had two shots and bakes had a shot out of it as well (only had enough powder for the three rounds) very happy with it but I can't see myself benchresting the beast. I only have the stock standard recoil pad on it so I will be in the market for an effective recoil pad, does anyone have any opinions on a good recoil pad that can be fitted at home (I would prefer the screw on type)
Thanks,
Pete.

I'd get the thickest Pachmayr pad that they make. I'd also put a recoil suppressor in the butt stock, if it is overly heavy in the butt, put a little weight in the fore-arm to balance it out. The No.1's weight is just right for a 458 WM but not for the Lott.

Get a Limbsaver pad from Brownells is you want the most effective pad on the market, and they grind easy....

cousin just put a pacmayer decelarator recoil pad on his side x side 10 gauge and on his Ruger no. 1 45-70 he seems to love them and they dont seem to need much grinding, they come within .05 of the size of the wood. (different sizes) only thing is they are very thick- at least the magnum ones are- and you dont want to leave the gun on its butt for long periods of time or it will loose some of its shape.

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Originally posted by nt:
but I can't see myself benchresting the beast.
Pete.

If you set up at the bench about as though you are standing, ie from your bum up, not much difference. I've just busted another retina? loose, getting some nice floaters in, but I'm not blaming the 458WM. Comes with old age.

Small world, if the flight strips at Tindal are looking green it's because I topdressed them in the late '60's
John L.

l recently fitted a Limbsaver to my 458wm #1,took it to the range last weekend and could not believe the difference it made,fired eighteen shots of the bench and didnt go home with a bruised shoulder,of course with a Lott you might not be so lucky.Unlike Ray l found it to be a bit of a bugger to grind,it being so soft,but it came out quite good in the end and im very happy with its performance.

Unleashing the beast. Pete and his lott

I logged onto Brownells website today to have a look at what is available in recoil pads and I found a pad called KICK-EEZ, does anyone know how these compare to the LIMBSAVER pads. Having a read about them they do look to be using the same sort of soft pad composition to absorb recoil as compared to the Pachmayr pads which appear to use a cross hatching of rubber to dampen the recoil, which method would be more effective?
I don't really want to put a recoil suppressor in the butt as it's weighty enough on long walks!
Pete.

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Originally posted by JAL:

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Originally posted by nt:
but I can't see myself benchresting the beast.
Pete.

If you set up at the bench about as though you are standing, ie from your bum up, not much difference. I've just busted another retina? loose, getting some nice floaters in, but I'm not blaming the 458WM. Comes with old age.

Small world, if the flight strips at Tindal are looking green it's because I topdressed them in the late '60's
John L.

Give it about 4 more months and everything is going to be emerald green again. The '60's !! you just gotta have a few interesting stories to tell, the Buff must have been as thick as flies!
Pete.

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Originally posted by nt:
I logged onto Brownells website today to have a look at what is available in recoil pads and I found a pad called KICK-EEZ, does anyone know how these compare to the LIMBSAVER pads. Having a read about them they do look to be using the same sort of soft pad composition to absorb recoil as compared to the Pachmayr pads which appear to use a cross hatching of rubber to dampen the recoil, which method would be more effective?
I don't really want to put a recoil suppressor in the butt as it's weighty enough on long walks!
Pete.

That's OK, brother, it's your shoulder and body. The new No.1's in 458 Lott weigh more than a regular No.1.

Judging by Bakes's pic of you lighting that thing off, you need all the help you can get.

475 the kick-eez was reccommended to me by a gunsmith and i put it on a 338 and it worked as good as thye pachmyer decellerater except after only two years it started to fall apart, a couple of chunks fell off and i did read on another post that they didn't hold up. I have the decellerater pads from pachmyer on all my rifles but i am hearing good things about the limb saver recoil pads so i think i will give it a try just to compare to the pachmyers. Later Tanoose

Sorry , my last post was for NT

I am, by no means, a fan of muzzle brakes. But if that No.1 were mine, I would get it Magna-ported! I put togeather a nice Lott on a mauser for a friend, and he had it magnaported to reduce muzzle rise and it worked great! Does not jump off the rest at all when shooting from the bench. I hear good things about the limb-saver, but am not too impressed with their looks(I am a traditionalist) I have always had good luck with the Pachmyers and they make a decellerator in red, similar in color to the Ruger factory pad. I used the Kick-eeze once and was not impressed at all.

I think the Limsave pad works a tiny bit better, but the Decelerator looks better and the prefit ones, fit pretty well.

Problem with the Kick Eze pads is chunks will come off them if they get handled a little rough..I have a couple that broke off from just putting them on a rock to brace my binocs..others have told me the same....

Limbsavers are tougher and suck up a bit more recoil IMO....

As to grinding them you can either freeze them and grind them or just grind them slowly and don't let them get hot...just take your time.

I'm a big fan of the Limbsavers. I've used Decelerators for years but I really think the Limbsaver works better. I haven't used the Kick-eeze pads, but my nephew has one and they are very soft and prone to chunking IMO.

The pic of nt and his Lott reminded me of my first experience with my #1 Lott. If you don't hold it VERY firmly it can climb on you. The #1s do exaggerate recoil. My RSM Lott is MUCH easier to shoot than my #1 was. First, get a Limsaver pad on it and practice your technique. More weight will help and another 8-12 oz makes a big difference. The Lott is a great cartridge, very flexible and can be great fun. Try some handloads with the Rem 405 gr SP made for the 45-70. Cheap and accurate. The 405s at 2300+ should be a great roo round!

John

My No1 .458 lott ruger chambering has not got the muzzle lift as the one in the pic. I ave the ss/lam version it is hefty and the pad on it is ok, but if i were to get another it would be a the same as the pachy on the cz 550, really tames a 458win. Decelerator pad i presume. I would hate to fire that rifle with a full charge and 350gr hornady, it would come back very hard.


cheers cc

I have a #1 Lott as does a friend (invader66). Mine has a little weight added to the butt and a Decelerator pad. Felt recoil is noticably less with mine.

I've got quite a bit of film of myself and others shooting .458Lott, .500 Jeff, .470NE and none of them have the muzzle lift that is shown in that picture. In fact with a competent shooter there is hardly any lift at all even in a full house 8.5 lb 458Lott.

(When I say competent I am refering to someone whom is used to shooting rifles in this catagory not to infer that you are an incompetent shooter.)

The amount of muzzle lift shown in that picture is shooter induced. Wether he knows it or not he's the one doing the majority of the muzzle lifting.

I also have had the Kick eze pads become crumbly with time. I try the limb saver.

nt. Pete, I was speachless for a couple of days
after seeing that scope about to scalp you.

And now others have mentioned magnaporting etc.

Or borrow a standing martingale off a horse and hook it to your belt. A Jack Lott wedgie, wow.
John L.

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Originally posted by surestrike:
I've got quite a bit of film of myself and others shooting .458Lott, .500 Jeff, .470NE and none of them have the muzzle lift that is shown in that picture. In fact with a competent shooter there is hardly any lift at all even in a full house 8.5 lb 458Lott.

(When I say competent I am refering to someone whom is used to shooting rifles in this catagory not to infer that you are an incompetent shooter.)

The amount of muzzle lift shown in that picture is shooter induced. Wether he knows it or not he's the one doing the majority of the muzzle lifting.

I also have had the Kick eze pads become crumbly with time. I try the limb saver.

When the Ruger was chambered for .458 Win Mag the recoil was quite tolerable (even with 500 gn full power loads) so I wasn't sure what to expect once it was chambered for the Lott, as to the muzzle lift being shooter induced I am not a large framed guy (unlike Bakes ) so there isn't much I can do about being rocked back but even he was set back on firing it.
If you take a line from my shoulder to the muzzle you can see that I'm bent back a bit but the line of the rifle is still in a fairly "normal" position, mind you the first shots out of it were 76 gn of ADI 2208 with 500gn Hornady solids.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JAL:
nt. Pete, I was speachless for a couple of days
after seeing that scope about to scalp you.

Yeah I was a bit surprised when I saw the picture but I think it was the angle that the picture was taken from that makes it look like I am about to get a trench up my forehead, I am really glad I have a scope with a decent amount of eye relief though!
Pete.

NT,

I think that you'll find with practice and familiarity that rifle will become more controllable for you.

I have a light weight lott that I built off of a M-70 stainless gun it weighs in at just over 8 lbs. One of my favorite loads is 80 grs of IMR4320. It pushes a 500 gr pill at 2200 and some change.

WhenI start to load it over that it becomes a bit rank.

Good luck with that rifle and many happy days in the field sir. She's a very attractive set up.

As fla3006 said we both have the Decelerator pad, but the extra weight in his stock makes a difference. We shot his and mine same day same load.
I just wonder how many rds Pete's scope is going take before it comes apart.
Gene

I don't like anything in the butt of my rifes, it throughs them off balance for me and quick offhand shooting is threatened IMO....

Most big bores can be handled with practice and patience and thats the real solution but a good muzzle brake will tame them for sure...

I always recommend the limb savors, but as Jack Belk says, a recoil pad just gives a big bore a running start at your shoulder, and there may be a smedgeon on truth to that...If you hug a big bore tight and pull it into your shoulder with both hands, it will be much easier on you, thats for sure.

A better alternative to a gun you have go doctor up is use a lesser caliber IMO...thats why I shoot a .375, 404 and 416 as opposed to a 458 Lott or 505...I can shoot both, but I don't like the recoil of the 45s and 50s....

"throughs" jeez where'd that come from?

The Lott must kick MUCH harder than the Win. I don't mind shooting the Win off the bench. However, I would recommend a "Past pad." They seem to work well, and won't change the rifle too much. Other than that, I would suscribe to Ray's advice: pull it into your shoulder. I'd add that its better not to pull it onto his arm, or onto the ball of the joint, but just inside the ball, where you're not likely to do any damage (if your arm tingles, you're not doing it right..)

The "muzzle lift" pic was quite funny!!

Dan