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After much contemplation of which "stomper" to purchase I decided to go with an AHR .600 Overkill. Many experienced big bore shooters here have recommended that I buy one of their rifles and after a few Q&A sessions I am convinced that it will be money well spent. I was strongly considering an SSK Ruger No.1 in .577 Nitro (there was even one for sale on AR) or .600 JDJ because I've always had a soft spot for No.1's, especially one in a big Nitro caliber. In the end though, it was the impeccable work of AHR that won me over as well as the awesome performance of the .600 Overkill and the many testimonials from experienced hunters who praise the caliber and the rifles AHR is producing. My rifle will have a 22" barrel with a detatchable brake and ghost ring sights with a detatchable Leupold 2.5X ier scout scope. I will have a laminated or a synthetic stock(I haven't seen AHR's new synthetic stocks yet so I'm still undecided on the stock until I can see them) and it has a planned weight of 12.5-13 pounds naked. It will be a "field grade" model but I may also purchase a fancy AHR walnut stock as an extra for show and tell. Mr. Plummer was polite and very helpful and it's easy to see why so many people praise their customer service. Anyway, I will be the proud owner of what may be the finest stopping rifle in the world, hopefully before this time next year! | ||
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Well done and you will positively love it. Incredible how many of my children are out there now. Nothing short of the 12GaFH can outperform it! You will be amazed rewarded and most of all not fleeced or deluded by AHR. They are an outstanding and reputable company.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Great choice on AHR! I have lusted after the AHR rifles of Safarikid, Bigdoggy and others. The craftsmanship seems top notch and they DELIVER a rifle in a timely manner!!! AHR has its act together. Please post pics of your rifle when you get it. John There are those that do, those that dream, and those that only read about it and then post their "expertise" on AR! | |||
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You WON'T be sorry! Great "All-Around" Caliber and Great people to deal with,both Ed and Wayne ...My 2 cents on the weight,if you are going to just shoot it from a bench,its fine how you ordered it..IF you are going to actually hunt with it,then too Heavy for the long walks and climbs.When you screw that brake on,its equilavent to adding 5 pds to the gun,their brakes Work!Good Luck and post pics and if you tell them you want it for Christmas....they will kill me! "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Great choice! Wayne has been VERY helpful in putting together a .600OK on an Enfield for/with me. AHR is TOPS! | |||
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You will need my Boolits to see the full capability of the .600OK.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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You might check with Missippian, as he has "some kind of 600 gun". He is currently in hiding as the Arbour Society is looking for him. His picture is posted at most lumber yards, and unfinished furniture stores. However he does have a "pretty good" 600 bolt action, not that I ever "shot any wood" with it. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I'm not trying to brag here or sound like SUPERMAN but I feel confident I can handle the weight. I work out twice a day 5 days a week. I lift heavy in the morning and run hard every other evening alternating with boxing/submission grappling workouts. Hopefully it will pay off and you guys get to see me boxing on HBO in a year or two. I would view carrying the rifle as an off season workout! I've seen pictures of some of the guys who carried their heavy .577 & .600 Nitro doubles after ele. If they can do it, then I can do it! That said, I completely get your point and I certainly don't want a boat anchor! Maybe 12 pounds would be a good empty/scopeless weight. The main reason I don't want the weight too light is I want the rifle to be controllable for fast follow up shots even without the brake. If it is properly balanced I believe 12-12.5 pounds is a good naked weight for .600 OK, though I haven't even fired one yet. In the end I think a man is better off by losing 10 pounds of belly than 2 pounds of rifle when you are shooting a rifle that is dishing out around 200 foot pounds of recoil from a 12.5 pound rifle! Don't worry Tom, if I get this rifle for Christmas, it will be the Christmas of 2009. I hope it doesn't take that long though. I won't actually order it until spring of 2009. My .500 A2 is my 2008 Christmas gift and McGowen is doing that one so you're not in trouble! I'll post pictures of both when I get them, somehow. I can't post pictures at the present time but I will hopefully have that problem resolved soon. If not, my wife can post them from work. I appreciate all the helpful advice from the members of AR. I've learned a lot about big bores since joining and have been truly inspired by the firearms presented here and I am truly in awe of the great adventures that some of you have had. It's an honor for me to be able to share stories and obtain knowledge from some of the most knowledgeable firearms enthusiasts and hunters in the world! | |||
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srshooter I must say I agree with your thinking. I am not a big fella, yet my 450 No2 British double rifle, with its 28 inch barrels, weighs 11.5 lbs. "raw" and @ 11 3/4 Lbs with the Murray Leather butt stock shell carrier, full of ammo. I do not think it is "that" heavy, and I have carried it many a mile elephant & cape buff hunting. However it is so plesant to shoot, in the field, at game, that I handle it like a 22LR. ALL the PH's I have hunted with call it "THE HAMMER OF THOR". DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Rob, I think you have a real winner with the .600 OK. It is about all the power you can squeeze out of a CZ Magnum sized action and is very affordable considering that it's over twice as powerful as a .458 Lott. When you step up in class to the .700 AHR/.700 Nitro the prices just get too steep for me. I also like Neil Shirley's .550 Magnum....A LOT....but it just wouldn't be enough of a step up from my .500 A2 to justify the cost of a custom rifle. That's why I passed it over and am going with the .600 OK. My big bore lineup will be: .375 H&H,(2) .45-70's, .458 Lott, .500 A2, and .600 Overkill. It is a comparably small collection but it'll be plenty for any game under any reasonable conditions, IMO. Each rifle has it's purpose. I will also squeeze in a .416 Ruger as an all arounder when they become available. (I think the .416 Ruger might be the ultimate one rifle caliber choice for Africa when ammo becomes a regular commodity.) The .600 Overkill will of course be the stopper/stomper and will surely make me grunt like Tim "Tool Man" Taylor and add more hair to my chest! BTW Rob, what BOOLITS are you referring to? Rob, thanks again for all your advice and input on buying/building the .500 A2 & the .600 OK. I'm sure I'll be happy with both. | |||
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SAFARI KID, this is off the topic but have you heard anything new about the brass/ammo availability of the 2.1" cased .500 Super? My BFR has a fever and the only prescription for it is MORE POWER!!!! A four pound 5 shot revolver that approaches 4000 fpe with 500-700 grainers is the .600 OK/.700 AHR of revolvers.....and the conversion is so simple! Why isn't someone jumping on this! Hell, there's enough power junkies right here in the AR forums to justify making a few thousand cases and some loaded ammo to try! Sorry guys, that's been on my mind for a while. I apologize for bringing handgun talk to the big bore forum....Back to your regularly scheduled program. Again, thanks to everyone for your helpful input. I'm glad that everyone has nothing but positive words to say about AHR's rifles. I feel assured that it is money well spent. | |||
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BTW- The weight of a .600Ok is not the problem, the way you shoot it is. You have to go with the flow and roll with the thing dont try to fight it. When you get it you might want to come out to Vegas for lessons Boolits, beer and babes.A training session!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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SOUNDS GREAT, ROB!!! I know a little about the beer & babes in Vegas and could teach a course on how to lose at BlackJack......but what boolits are you talking about? | |||
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I NEED a trip to Vegas soon!Luv the Babes part! ...Rob,we spoke of some 1000 grainers,did you CNC any??....SRS,I kinda gave up on that project due to lack of participants...Just send your BFR to JRH and he will convert it to 50/110 and then your Set with "Gobs" of power "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Tom- Ill turn some out next week. Have to write a new prgm anyway. Do you want a traditional crimping groove added? No problem while I'm at it.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Srshooter Yo won't be sorry about your selection of the 600 OK from AHR. The Ruger No 1 in .577 cal may have been a surprise. Wayne will put an appropiate stock on your 600 to handle some of the recoil. Will be a pussycat to shoot, even up to 2250 fps Dak | |||
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Rob, when you write about "flow and roll" with the OK, it makes it easier to absorb recoil but slows down follow-up shots, right? Countering all that motion was one of Taylor's compaints regarding follow up shots with the .600 Nitro. I haven't yet done any rapid fire drills with my OK as Wayne just finished up correcting my misplacement of the mag box spring clips. One thing I have noticed firing one shot at a time however is that it's better to keep my feet together and have the rifle roll me back and take a couple of balancing steps as opposed to bracing my feet wide and getting my torso/back twisted in place. This is with a 11 1/2 rifle, X-Brake and 900gr@2150. | |||
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Rob,yes on the crimping groove..Boreriders with Huge Meplat..lets try 10 for now
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It's really crazy to me that the .500 Super has not caught on, especially with all the .500 BFR owners out there talking about that "short little .500 S&W cartridge in that long 3 inch cylinder" and considering the ease and low cost of conversion while retaining the ability to shoot the .500 S&W, .500 JHR, and .500 Special!! Maybe it will come around in the near future. If I had the $$$$, I'd get her started myself,but.....OH WELL!! I'm going to be putting most of my money into saving for the AHR .600 Overkill anyway and then probably a Ruger Hawkeye African .416 Ruger if it's ready by then. I'm sure the .600 OK will keep me plenty happy until I can fulfill my .500 Super fantasies! SAFARI, have you tried "THE ROGUE" without its brake yet? I am considering leaving the brake off my .600 OK at first and see if I can handle it. If I can, that would be great because I don't like the noise or the looks of a braked rifle, though magna-porting doesn't look too bad. If I can't handle it I will have a brake installed. Since you are pretty much the guru of recoil, I'd like your input on this. I have a good recoil tolerance and a "what one man can do....another man can do" (Anthony Hopkins quote from the movie...."THE EDGE") attitude but I realize the .600 OK is on a completely different recoil level than the .458 Lotts and .460 Weatherby that I'm used to shooting. As always, thanks for your input! I wish I could compare it to pulling both triggers on my buddy's old 10 gauge with it's padless narrow buttstock. It's an antique and is pretty much retired now though. Those were good times! | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dakota45056: Srshooter Yo won't be sorry about your selection of the 600 OK from AHR. The Ruger No 1 in .577 cal may have been a surprise. Wayne will put an appropiate stock on your 600 to handle some of the recoil. Will be a pussycat to shoot, even up to 2250 fps Thanks Dakota! We'll see in due time but I'm sure it will be loads of fun! SOMETIMES LOVE REALLY HURTS!!!! | |||
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SRS....yes,I wish the brass was available for the 500 Super Smith..Oh well Now,for the BIG Stuff ...My latest 600 has the integral brake milled in the barrel(in the band of the front sight) It is permanent and I have used several brake guns in Africa/Alaska like this,NO problemo..The PH is always behind or at my side even with me,hence behind the brake...I Dont use plugs when hunting Africa/Alaska and Never had my ears ringing(shot my 500Jeff with 16" barrel/integral brake 3x in a row ,no ringing)...My point is the amt of recoil they cut down outweighs the lil noise increase(my guns are very light for caliber,Very )I like AHRs removable brakes,the WORK! My 11pd 700AHR Hurts w/o the brake,with it on,Big Difference! With it on,it is Loud so wear plugs and when hunting,I am sure you wont be using it anyway....I am rambling,but I must give credit to stock desighn for AHR and others...Example-My 13pd 600 English Double(sold it!)had alot of drop in the stock,light for a 600 double,but still 13pd...It is the WORST kicker I Ever shot?!??and thats at 1850-1900fps(puny loads for a AHR600)It went off,my right hand hit the lever on its way to bloodying my nose and giving me a headache!Then the action was opened to boot(due to my hand losing grip and tripping lever!)...After that,I shot a few more and said BS and sold it!What I am trying to say is for some dern reason,even my Light 600Overkills at 2100fps DO Not hurt me!!..Dont be afraid,dont fight it,roll with it a tad...One could also order a box of mixed loads from AHR.1900-2000-2100fps and work up to get the hang of it..Now i have seen other 600 owners going to 2200 and above to even 2500 I think..They can have that,not practical in my light rifles,plus at those "Warp Speeds",I think even Brass Solids would Break Up! ...2100 is 200 over the Famous 600NE and 2125=9000pds of Energy!..PS.I loved that movie The Edge! "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Thanks for the reply, brother....and the pictures! VERY NICE INDEED!!! If you can, I'd like to see your other .600 OK too. You know, about the brake, it's something I'm going to have to mull over. When I was talking to Ed Plummer, I told him that I would like a .600 OK with a synthetic stock, 22" barrel with a removable brake and screw on cap,scout scope mount and ghost ring sights, and a naked weight of about 12.5 pounds. I also told him that I would probably want one of their walnut stocks later on for show and tell. After thinking about it, I'm not really sure if I want the brake....at least at first. I could always get one later if I wanted to. The only braked firearm that I own is my 4" S&W 500 and I wanted it that way for the possibility of one handed defensive shooting of dangerous game. The noise and blast is awful though! Different things bother different people though, kinda like you don't like heavy rifles....I don't like the looks, noise or blast of a brake. Some guns definately need a brake though. I'm sure "The Rogue" definately needs one! I'll definately know more when my 10.5 pound(naked weight) unbraked .500 A2 is finished and I send a few 600 grainers @ 2400+ fps down range. If I can handle that pretty good then the muzzle brake will be absent from my .600 OK....at first anyways!! We'll see!! I think I'll be fine with a rifle that's gonna weigh about 14 pounds field ready. A heavy rifle doesn't bother me as long as it's not long too. I think 22" is a perfect trade off for handling vs velocity and all around balance in the brush and the field. With a Single Shot or a Double 24"-26" is good. Just my $.02. The only 26 incher I really like is my Marlin 1895 Cowboy because it has a very slim forearm and slim octagon barrel that balances perfectly when loaded......WITH 9 + 1 FIREPOWER(should be great for the big cats, imo). Since you live in Georgia, we'll have to get together and shoot some when my .500 A2 & .600 OK are finished. Until then I won't have much to offer you in the way of big bore fun. Hell, my .458 Lott, .45-70, .375 H&H, and (2) .500 S&W's are all plinkers and squirrel rifles next to your .700 AHR, .600 OK's, 4 Bore and.......... GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE YOU'VE GOT!!! I'll have some big boys soon enough though! | |||
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SAFARIKID....did AHR do your stock on "THE ROGUE"? I was just wondering since I haven't seen a laminated stock option on their web site. | |||
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srshooter, Congratulation on your choice! I have no doubt you can handle the weight but I would recommend if possible getting with a fellow 600 owner and trying one on for size. You may want to go lighter/shorter?? Maybe Tom is close enough for a day trip or if you find yourself in central MS, stop by. Your welcome to shoot all you want. Are you using a CZ action? I had mine rebarreled by Wayne and while it was apart requested all the engraving (minus the SN) be removed. Looks much better!
For those of you scratching your heads about this comment, N E 450 No2 and I were at a DRSS gathering when I whipped out the 600. I gave a demo on a helpless Texas tree and the results were comparable to a bomb exposion at a chip mill. The observers were pelted with wood fragments! N E 450 No2, Something you must understand is that trees are my enemy! I have lost many Nav/strobe lights to those annoying twigs and branches that reach out into the fields I spray! Now with the 600 I can fight back!!
Safarikid, you can leave your cartridge belt model with me on the way!(remember the pictures of your girlfriend you sent modeling the leather cartridge belt I bought from you?) I promise to take good care of her!! Double Rifle Shooters Society | |||
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srshooter, Congratulations - you are going to be thrilled beyond expectations. I'd suggest getting the brake now rather than trying it without then having to send it back to be fitted afterwards. Not only does it work, but the design of the end cap makes it impossible to tell that the barrel is threaded for a brake. Good luck and we will, of course, need pictures. paul NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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SRS..The way AHR does the brakes now you canNOT tell it has one when removed,ask them to send you some pics off and on to help decide...the threads actuall go under the banded front sight! ...It would cost much more if you want it later....But,If you dont want one,no problem with me as I think your 14pd cannon wont be bad at all,probaly less "felt"recoil at 2100 than your 500 at 2400 in a 10 pounder? The Rogue was done by another builder and he did the stock also(recoil pad is no longer on it,just a butt plate now since pics were taken )...Where are you in GA?I am in Savannah,let me know if you are in the area sometime Missisippian-I dont think she would let me go to Vegas w/o her,she says something about my "Wondering eye" ,whatever that is Below is my 2nd AHR.600 w/o brake on it(9.5pds/20"),also my 6pd/16" .500Jeff with integral brake and then the brake next to a 600 and 4 bore round "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Ditto... After buying my 600 from Safari Kid I wish I'd had him send it to AHR first to have them install the X-Brake before sending it to me without it... It wasn't all that bad (@ 9 Lbs) with loads in the 1900 fps range but once I got over 2150 it was a whole different beast... As far as noise the 600 is pretty damn loud to begin with and I'd be more concerned about the increased controllability of the rifle rather than any increase in noise... Everyone is different and it all depends on what you plan on doing with the rifle... But if you plan on shooting max loads Paul's advice is good advice… Save you self the $$$ and hassle of having to ship the rifle back!!!!!!!!! Just my $.02 Matt V. ______________________ Sometimes there is no spring... Just the wind that smells fresh before the storm... | |||
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You have to be crazy to shoot this thing at full power without a brake! I designed it from the getgo to use a brake. Have AHR install one for you. Its a giant PIA to do it later and will be very expensive. Hey the brake in the pic above looks like its loosing a baffel or am I wrong? That brake design reminds me of the Reising M50. They are notorius for loosing the first baffel section or was it owner induced with a screwdriver trying to loosen it?.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Rob, the Kid had us turn down the diameter on the brake and it must have taken enough metal off to allow it to bend. He sent it back and we put a truss on it to shore it up. We changed design a year or so ago and now the first baffel is thicker than the rest. Mucho strong now. | |||
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Thanks SAFARI! The rifle DOES look good without the brake. I can't really tell that it is set up for a screw on brake, in that picture at least. Since everyone is sure I'll need it, and it looks so good with the brake removed, I guess I'll take everyone's advice and have a removeable brake installed by AHR from the start. Most rifles with removeable brakes have an ugly cap that makes the rifle look cheap and I guess that's what I'm used to seeing. AHR seems to be a cut above the rest in the "fit & finish" department. I guess, if I'm going to have a removable brake installed, I will probably ask them to try and give the rifle an 10.5-11 pound naked weight. Then I can really give my friends some fun when I remove the brake! Those are some nice pictures too! The .600 OK is beautiful and I'll have to get a walnut stock as an extra at some point. Your .500 Jeffery is nice too and weighs about the same as my .30-06 carbine 7600. I bet it it will wake you up! Have you taken any big game with the 4-Bore? That's what Whitworth needed for his chipmunk/flowerbed safari!!! If you have any pictures of the .600 OK beside the .458 Lott and a .378 Weatherby-based cartridge(like the .500 A2, .460 Wby, etc.) or .416 Rigby based cartridge, could you post one so my wife can see the difference? She thinks my .458 Lott is a monster! Comparative pictures of the .700 AHR and 4-Bore would be cool too if it's not too much trouble. Your firearms collection is incredible....along with BigDoggy 700, Rob, Hubel, RIP.... and many others of course! TO EVERYONE.... I would love to see more pics of your BIG BORES! It helps to keep me going until I can boast of some REAL BIG BORES myself! I'd be willing to bet that the .416 Ruger will be the smallest caliber that I buy for at least 2 years because I'VE GOT THE FEVER....AND THE ONLY PRESCRIPTION FOR IT IS MORE POWER!!!! THANKS GUYS!!! | |||
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SAFARIKID, I apologize, I thought AHR built "THE ROGUE". My bad. It's still an awesome piece and the fit and finish seems to be impeccable. I really like the short stock. It keeps the rifle from looking stubby like most rifles with 16" barrels, and the fluted barrel is nice too. I reside in the little town of Bremen, Georgia. It's about a 45-50 minute drive west of Atlanta on I-20 and less than 30 minutes from the Alabama line. My name is Shannon Sewell. We'll have to get together for a shooting session when I get my .500 A2 & .600 OK. Maybe some others could join us as well. After that we can go to Rob's place for shooting lessons, bullets, beer , and babes(not sure if I got that right?!?!) and GOD KNOWS WHAT.....In Las Vegas!!!!!!! | |||
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Bitterroot= Thanks for the explanation. Well this is my 4000th post and cant think of a better topic than the .600OK to spend it on. No cracks about the use of my time pse!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I'm happy to spend my 189th post to give you congratulations on 4000 of the finest posts a guy could write! The fact that many of those posts were about the .600 OK only shows that you are a wise man. The fact that you invented the .600 OK shows that you are a VERY WISE MAN INDEED!!!! CHEERS ROB! HAVE A GREAT 4000th AND A MERRY 4001!!!!!! | |||
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From the Left...4 bore,8 bore,700NE,600,577,458Lott,50/110,45/70,308,223...I will take a pic later with the 458 next to the 600...Yes,I took 2 Cape with the 4 bore..BIG Entrance Hole! "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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SAFARIKID, YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!! MAY YOUR REIGN BE LONG AND YOUR DAYS FILLED WITH ADVENTURE!!!!! LONG LIVE THE KING!!!!! It looks like you could drop a baseball into that ENTRANCE HOLE! I can only imagine an exit hole. Damn, I bet if you used a soft lead bullet it would rip the thing in half. If you're man enough to carry the thing, there's nothing that can compare with the old "bore" rifles.....2, 4, & 8!!! Well done. | |||
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SAFARIKID, do your PH's freak out when they see your firearms? I mean most PH's BACK UP their clients with rifles that are chambered in a .416 or .458 caliber, some with a .375 H&H and you bring these cannons that makes their rifles look like pop guns! Do you ever get any funny looks or comments? I bet they want to take you to the range pretty quick to make sure you can shoot those cannons. Anyway, I'm sure they come around when you poke a fist sized hole lengthwise through a buff with one of'em. All in good fun! Keep on keepin' on man! | |||
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Yes,The PH's tend to get real Excited when we start pulling out the artillery ..They really like it for several reasons..It breaks the ole monotony of the more common "lil guns",you know,375's and 458's (here comes the hate mail ) and they just never see this kind of power,only read about it,so its a pleasure for them,they get Really Excited when it comes time for the trigger pull ..Heck,the biggest I have seen on 8 Safaris is a 505 Gibbs,but all the rest had 458Lotts,which by the way,they are very happy with(its affordable,ammo is EZ to get and it just plain works!)..here is a few pics of the Lott and the Overkill "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Thanks brother!!!!11 You are a true southern GENTLEMAN!!!!!! I certainly appreciate the pictures. Don't worry about hate mail too much because most of us still recognize the truth when we read it.....though it is kinda uncommon these days! The .458 Lott is a fantastic cartridge with a deserved reputation but but it sure looks small beside that beast!!! Thanks again man, you've really helped me build up anticipation and my shoulder s itchin' for some big bore shootin' and it will be scratched!!!!!!!!! I must relenquish the computer now 'cause my wife wants to use it to play her Saturday Night Karaoke songs! | |||
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