which is better the .416 rem or the .416 rigby. I'm not going to say what I'm useing it for becouse I want your Ideas.
Thanks

[ 08-24-2003, 18:45: Message edited by: handcanon ]

interesting question, everytime it comes up...

the rem is cheaper to feed, and can be on a smaller gun... SHOULD be called teh Huffman

the rigby is more $$ to feed, and requries a slightly larger gun... nostalgia

the taylor, same as rem, but even smaller.... new..

Everything else is the owner's choice and opinion

I have a rem, built a taylor, and want a rigby

jeffe

jeffeosso
Sorry I didn�t mean to bore you. I just been thinking about getting one for my youngest son. And didnt know which one to get him. Looks like the Rem. is the way to go till we see if he likes it.
Thank you for your time

Handcannon,
I didn't mean to be sarcastic... I am STILL working on getting my rigby... and still tossed up as to why. I was being factual in that it's really choice, as they all preferm pretty close to the same.

any are fun...
if your son is tall, make sure you have the rifle with the proper LOP (rubs scars in eyebrow) the 416 is just at the level where you can't just suck up the recoil...

really, i meant it is an interesting topic, and it gets kicked around alot, here, and doens't seem to run out of steam.

like I said, I have a rem, built a taylor, routinely shoot a rigby, and want the rigby

jeffe

jeffeosso
the thing I dont see is the rigby is much larger case but all the loads show the Rem and the Rigby about the same. dont know much about the taylor
and dont worry about sounding sarcastic I love a good debate. that is what is fun about this site over other forums we can not see things the same way and still be friends

jeffeosso
the thing I dont see is the rigby is much larger case but all the loads show Rem and the Rigby about the same speeds.
Dont know much about the taylor
And dont worry about sounding sarcastic I love a good debate. that is what is fun about this site over other forums we can not see things the same way and still be friends

[ 08-24-2003, 20:28: Message edited by: handcanon ]

the reason the rigby shows the same velocity as the Rem is because the rigby is loaded to a much lower pressure. Both will send 400 grainers to 2400 fps. The rigby has the potential to go as high as 2700 but you won't find me shooting any of those. Thats .416 weatherby territory.

oh I would like that power
like the DOC. said I need pro-help the more power the better!!!
and like HANDCANON said BIGGER IS BETTER!!!!!!!!!

[ 08-24-2003, 22:07: Message edited by: handcanon ]

I agree with JR's comments and the Rigby will do it with less pressure.

I had to make that choice and I went with the .416 Rigby. Versatility is why. You can load it down to .416 Rem. standards or up to almost the mighty .416 Weatherby standards. I like my heavier Ruger, helps with the recoil. Lawdog

Lawdog_Gary
you are the first to give a good reason
that is why I wint with a T/C 45/70 SSK handcanon
I can load down and I can load up
Thanks

[ 08-25-2003, 02:35: Message edited by: handcanon ]

Easy pick

416 Rigby, classic, lower pressures, sexier case

/ JOHAN

I say go for the Rigby, if not only to be different but to have the feeling of being a true hunter .

Not much either one can't handle. So I say let him try both out and maybe he can make up his own mine.

I own a .416 Rigby and I love the look of the round so I would opt for that

thanks to all that is what I need to hear. why you like one or the other, not the stats I can look up stats, I wanted your feelings

I went through the process you are a year ago. I got advice from gunsmiths, hunters, custom gun builders, etc. I ended up with the Remington, and have really enjoyed shooting and tweaking the round. I just found out my son wants to join me in Africa next year or the year after, this required another DGR. You guessed it, I picked the Rigby this time, the brass is on the way. ----- The way I figure it, someone who likes to shoot, can never make a bad choice, and he will then experience something different, each round with it's strong points. I went practical the first time, now I am following my heart. Good shooting.

All three cartridges are basicly the same, but all have pros, and cons!

The Taylor is a nice cartridge, and is fine for anything one needs a 416 for,is easy and cheap to load for, but is limited because of two reasons. #1 the powder capacity is small in the Taylor, and to get up near the 416 Rem, one must push the pressure envelope, and the ballistics of the Rem is about as high as you can safely go with the Taylor. #2 it is a wildcat!

The 416 Rem mag is a very well ballanced cartridge, and has some nice things about it's design, that the other two do not! The 416 Rem Mag is nothing more than the 416 Hoffman, with some slight changes so Remington could claim it as their own. It will usually carry one more round in a standard magazine than the Rigby, while giveing you the same balistics with factory ammo, and is MUCH cheaper to feed. The 416 Rem Mag will do anything at 2400 fps that is needed from a 416 mag round.

The Rigby is a fine old "NOSTALGIC" cartridge, and is fun to look at, as well as being a low pressure round which is easy on rifles. It requires a drop magazine to get the extra round the Remington has with a standard magazine. It is true the Rigby can be loaded up to 2700 fps, if you want, but it is totally unnesccary IMO, as nothing is gained on the old Buffalo, and increases the recoil considerably.

Most of this has only taken into consideration, factory ammo, but they all may be handloaded, and they all have their pros, and cons in handloading.
The Taylor has to be made from something else, usually 338 Win Mag brass, then fire formed. If ammo is lost in transit, you are out of luck.

The Remington 416 is a straight forward loading much like loading the old 30-06, no fuss no bother. and factory is available in most good gun stores,and is just about perfect for African hunting.

The Rigby is very expensive to load, and more expensive to buy in factory form. Though most of us here would load our own in any case, the Rigby must be very CAREFULLY loaded, to avoid telescopeing the case, because of it's narrow sharp shoulder. The extra case capacity is better used to keep pressures low, that to hop it up. The extra speed you gain on paper is not usable on Buffalo, and serves no ligitimate purpose IMO!

It boils down to your choice! Sort of, what ever floats your boat, but the Remington has more pros than cons, and would be my choice if I couldn't have one of each.

NOW, the rifles these cartridges should be chambered in, is also choice, but the CRF rifle has more pros, than the PF action. That, however is another string that is tossed around more than the rift between these three cartridges.

It is your choice Handcannon, but while I've got you attention, I just happen to have an unfired TC contender chambered for 411 JDJ, with a 16.25" barrel, with a builtin muzzle brake makeing it legal for rifle stock use!

Handcannon,

I followed the debate for 6 months and dwelt on every word. I did the pro-con sheet for both cartridges more than once.

The tie breaker for me was simply handling the ammo for each at the same time, as I rolled the rounds in my hands, I asked myself,...
(1) Which is the most versatile?
(2) Which feels like the "bad boy" of the two?
(3) Which makes me feel the best?

I went with the Rigby and haven't looked back. To me, the 416RemMag cartridges appear "slender and fragile" by comparison. If you are going to compare ballistics go to Barnes Book #3 and you can see what that extra case capacity can do. Federal, Nosler and Hornady "sand bag" the Rigby at the 1911 Cordite SAAMI spec, no doubt at their lawyers consul. Barnes shows no such timidness with today's modern powders.

I tend to not "run with the crowd" so the 416RemMag's apparent popularity did not influence my decision. Rigby availability in the excellent Ruger and CZ rifles didn't hurt anything either.

Reloading is highly recommended for both performance and cost management with the Rigby. In fact, I learned to reload with the Rigby as my first cartridge -- no crushed shoulders yet. However, on a reloading note, I have a friend who reloaded the nickel plate 416RemMag brass with his pet "yellow brass" 416RemMag load (Barns Bullets) and the resulting compression of the powder bulged the case under the neck and they would not chamber -- not enough room in the nickel 416RemMags apparently. I think I have no such worries with the Rigby -- that case is HUGE.

Recently read Ruark's "Use Enough Gun" and "A Thing Of Value" .... there was my cartridge -- right there in Harry Selby's hands -- cool.

I liked the one gentleman's quote, "I went practical the first time, now I am following my heart." I came close, but no.

Argrrrr,
EKM

[ 08-28-2003, 09:08: Message edited by: ELKampMaster ]

I don't own a 416, but I sure would have the Rigby in a heartbeat. The Remington does nothing for me. If I was ever in a situation that warranted the thing, I'd be in Africa, and I wouldn't want to be thinking of how the heat was effecting my loads at full pressure.
That Rigby case is a comfortable "more than enough."

I really feel like the perfect 416 is on a Jeffery case. COL of 3.34", 3.6" or 3.75" - take your pick.
You can beat the belted mad case at same length (or match it with lower pressure) and still have same number of rounds in the mag.
My favorite reason to get a Rigby is to shoot it till I'm blue and rebarrel to 470 Mbogo!
That's a good use of a big case.