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I would say that the avaerage American is a better shot than the average European sprots person. This is based on hunting on the continent, as well as spending close to a combined year there. Many of my friends over there are hunters and shooters. Finland dropped the shooting test requirement for Americans a couple of years ago. None of the Americans were failing the test, so now they just ask for a copy of an old hunting license.

THe typical moose shot in Scandanavia is under 50 meters. Often it is 15 meters at a moose bayed with dogs. Or Shooting a moose in a green field at 70 meters under a full moon is not a test of marksmanship. I shot one running at 125 meters and about 2 seconds later shot another on a dead run at about 85 meters. It totally blew their mind. Especially that a moose was hit at over 100 meters. They now call me "The AMerican Sniper". One guy shot a moose at around 150 meters, from a high seat, many years ago, and they still tlak about it every time they get together.

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Well... I have no experience of the skill of an average american hunter but I have been hunting mooses in Sweden for some 20 years now and for sure, there are some mediocre marksmens here as well as there certainly are in the US. The typical shooting conditions on moose here are similliar to what you described but that DOES NOT make you a bad marksman. I was rather surprised to hear about the gloryfied credits given to you on your proven skills.

I consider myself to be a rather skilled marksman but I do not usually take shots at running mooses at above 100 meters because that leaves me with very small margins for errors. I could take such a shot if in open country with a flat ground such as a field, otherwise I'll pass. I want them down at the first shot.

The most important issue, at least to me, when deciding if you are a good marksman is your judgement, i.e. to realize ones limits. You can be a hell of a sniper at the range but take some unnecessary difficult shots at game. It all boils down to poor judgement.

To say that an american marksman is better then a european ditto - I simply do not believe in such a generalization.

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/Johan
 
Posts: 28 | Location: Sweden | Registered: 27 November 2003Reply With Quote
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I do not know in which part of our lovely little corner of the world you�ve been to (Finland?) but your picture of our hunting doesn�t really fit with mine... You really need to expand your horizons a little bit! Hunting in the Scandinavian countries is as varied as the terrain. Your �typical� shots at moose etc are not very typical at all nor are the distances or the �shooting of moose under a full moon". A lot of moose here in Sweden are shot for dogs especially in the northern parts � many of them by posters at greater distances and at trot or full run. Quite a few are also shot at drives � again many of them doing quite the opposite of standing still.. A bunch of others are shot during still hunting � in the forest or at a clear cut where distances are not very short at all.
Roe deer are mostly shot at still hunting or in front of a slow moving dog � a dachshound or a beagle fx. Distances vary from inside 30 meters with a shotgun or 250 meters with a rifle.
Hunting any deer species during the night is a legal offence here which should put the �hunter� behind bars!!

Many �hunting teams� here have rules that say that you are to pass the moose test on a shooting range before you go hunting. You shoot at a running/standing still moose at 80 meters and have to get your shots in the kill zone.

BTW My latest moose were shot at 230m and my first roe buck this year was shot at a hair under 200m.

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Posts: 43 | Location: Sweden | Registered: 14 January 2004Reply With Quote
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Hi Zim Hunter

I think Will and N E hit the nail right on the head. Having been at this years proficiency exams we saw the same run of the mill proplems as always. Old and often worn rifles are all apprentices can afford. And, when they do buy a new rifle, of just about any make, there are teething problems that need to be sorted out.

If you believe you can buy a factory rifle today and have it perfect, you stand a good chance of beeing very disapointed.

As to the safety- I do most of my shooting left handed, so a winchester M70 safety works fine for me. Also though when testing guides on the night shoot, when their weak hand is holding the torch, you see the proplem with the safety on the "wrong" side. Also on some rifles- particularly old worn ones like one see's appy's carrying the safety catches are not infrequently put on when the bolt is cycles in a hurry. Have seen it a few times in the last two exams with CZ and Interarms X rifles.

And I think you would be very suprised to see the rifle Don carries as a back up on dangerous game. He doesn't own a german or british made rifle anymore. One American and one Belgian, both properly sorted out. Neither with wing safeties! It gets in the way of the striker mounted peep sight which he likes.

As an asside Following Zim Parks's experiences of Ruger M77's, the ones we had were sold and the departmental pollicy is never to aquire any more! To be sure, Ruger has improved alot since the culls, but the policy remains! ( I quite like Rugers and would use one if they were not so heavy)
 
Posts: 3026 | Location: Zimbabwe | Registered: 23 July 2003Reply With Quote
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Actually the left side safety on a right handed rifle is a good idea, as the right hand thumb would more easily be able to flick the safety to "FIRE". Or, a tang safety as on doubles or the old Ruger.

But don't hold your breath about that feature showing up any time soon.
 
Posts: 19381 | Location: Ocala Flats | Registered: 22 May 2002Reply With Quote
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Whoever wrote this article is not being fair to Weatherby.

They did have some problems with them firing when one took the safety off - I had it happen on two Japanese made 300 Weatherby Mk V rifles.

Since that time, I have fired quite a bit of ammo through several Weatherby rifles, and hunted with one, and never, ever had any problems whatsoever.

In fact, my PH uses a 460 Weatherby Mk V rifles as his back up rifle.
 
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