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Anyone shooting these out of a 375 Weatherby, 375 AI or 375 Ultra Mag? Any experience to share? I was thinking the 350g PPs at 2500 fps (their upper velocity limit as specified by Woodleigh) would be good brown bear and cape buffalo medicine. Thanks, Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | ||
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I can only tell you that they work very well in the standared .375 H&H on Buffalo and all plainsgame... If I were to use it in the WBY I would only use the 350 gr. "PP", and not the softer RN.. I am almost positive it would work at 2500 FPS as I get pretty close to that in the std. 375 H&H... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Thanks Ray Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Chuck, The 350gr woodleigh PP is the most accurate bullet I shoot in my 375WBY and a devastating combination when velocities are 2500fps. This is what I use for bear in Ak. Were I hunt shots are usually 100yds or less but can be longer. The last bear I killed with it was 3 weeks ago. A close friend, Dave, and I had gone to my cabin for a few days to do a little late season silver fishing and maybe a northern or two. We woke the first morning and had breakfast and coffee while deciding where to fish first. Bottle creek was the closest and I knew it held some good northern pike so we decided to try there first. Finally the sun had risen high enough to share its light and we were almost out the door when I decided swap the shotgun for my 375WBY, telling Dave that if I see a bear I was going to kill it. Bottle creek is a swamp drainage, not much more than a ditch with thick spruce forest on one side and cottonwoods on the other. The woods on both sides are thick with heavy under brush and are buffered to the waters edge by 10' of waist high grass. It was a five minute boat ride to Bottle creek and we were soon fishing. Dave had landed a nice 30" pike which we had fillet and put in zip lock bags and had just started fishing again when I caught movement in the wood line about 100yds up stream. I spoke in a hushed voice to Dave "Bear". He looked up and saw the bear as it exited the woods and came to the waters edge. As I grabbed my 375 I told Dave I was going to kill it and he moved to the rear of the boat as I moved to the front and took a good solid rest. It was a good black bear, six ft. or better I thought as my cross hairs found him. Although the wind was in our favor the bear had become nervous upon seeing the boat and had begun to make his turn back to the woods when I fired. The 350gr woodleigh hit the bear where his neck meets his body and past through to shatter the off shoulder. The bear simple collapsed. After I skinned him I took a closer examination of the wound chanel. About 18" of penetration through hide, fat, muscle and bone. The entrance and exit holes in the hide were .375 going in and half dollor going out but when the hide was peeled away the damage was tremendous. I could literally stick my arm through it to feel the shattered neck bone and shoulder. With the same point of impact I know I would have had the same results with a lesser cal. After all it was just a black bear but with the number of big brown bear in the area my 375wby seems to find its way into my hands more often than all my other rifles combined and loaded with 350gr woodleighs. Steve | |||
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Yentna River, Good! Such a happy story it almost makes me cry for nostalgic joy. I carried a .375 Wby for 5 years in Ol' Alaska, for the same reasons you do. Mine was used mainly for Kodiak deer hunting and chasing brown bears, self-guided.   I used 300-grain Swifts back then, at about 2740 fps, but have worked up nice loads with the old Barnes Original 350-grain RNSP, which should be about the same, grain for grain, as RL-22: Hornady basic brass fireformed to .375 Wby (Norma made factory .375 Wby is a little thinner and holds more so powder charge might be a grain or two higher) GM215M primer 24" barrel, 1:12" TWIST, of course 50 degrees F 350-grain Barnes Original RNSP MRP 88.0 grains >>> 2512 fps 89.0 grains >>> 2540 fps 90.0 grains >>> 2563 fps MRP 90.0 grains ought to give over 2600 fps in a 26" barrel, and no signs of high pressure. RL-22 ought to do the same. Ray Atkinson gets 2500 fps in his .375 H&H and would not admit to high pressure signs either, I'll bet. Nor will he admit that he is using a 32" barrel.  | |||
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I shot some of those and only did 2400 FPS. The rifle is the 375 H&H. | |||
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Rip, That is the same old  that you put on me about the 404 some years back, and later conceeded the pressures were OK, but only after Northfork ran the tests. Nor did you ever apoligize for your lack of knowledge!  I might add that perhaps you should read my posts properly, did I not say that I "almost got 2500 FPS in my 375..And btw I also shoot a 26 inch tube and you know that... I, infact, get a 10 shot average of 2456 FPS taking out the high and the low..I did get a 10 shot average of 2478 FPS but that was max and I cut back a little just to be safe, taking into consideration the difference in Africa and Idaho temps. IMHO you have a habit of jumping the gun from time to time and passing Obama gas!....  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, There you go again. Exaggerating again. Is your traveling .505 Gibbs down to 5.5 lbs. yet? None of us have figured out how to get as much IMR4831 into a 404 Jeffery case as you did. Neither did Mike Brady. Nor did he get the kinds of velocities you did. Obama gas? From me? That is really hilarious. | |||
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Ray, Rip, Yenta, Jro, et al, I appreciate all of your opinions ... And I'm making the decision this week either to have my 375 H&H rechambered to 375 Weatherby or have the barrel rebored to 470 Capstick. I really need all of your advice! My elk season ended early due to a family emergency which ended up fine. So it's the time to do somthing with my rifle. My wife has nixed me either buying an additional rifle or seliing and trading up due to the current financial mess, but rechambering or reboring both come in under $500 plus dies. My current CZ 375 H&H 550 weighs in at 11 lbs with scope (25" barrel). Rebored to .470 Capstick and the barrel cut down to 22" it would weigh about 3/4 pound less. So it's either an 10.25 lb 375 Weatherby shooting 350g Woodleighs at 2550 fps or a 9.5 lb 470 Capstick shooting 500g A-Frames at 2300 fps. Once again, thanks for all of your advice. Best Regards to you all,  Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Rechambering to .375 Weatherby will be way less expensive than a reboreANDrechamber job, and could be done by tomorrow if Voltaire is your gunsmith and your name is Candide. If not, it may take a few days longer. You need a whole new barrel for the 470 Capstick anyway, in the best of all possible worlds.  | |||
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Deleted Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I really don't know how relevant this is but I just picked up some 350 gr pp woodleighs and reloaded for my 378 Bee. I really like the accuracy from this bullet.I dialed into approx. 1", the reason for the change is I'm heading off to Africa next June and wanted something with a little smackdown. I previously loaded 260 gr accubond and had great success as well. Just my 2 cents You don't have to be the best shot....Just the last shot. | |||
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Rip, You been giving lessons to Obama, spewing BS again..Mike did get the same velocities as I did with the same load and sent me an email saying it was within the safety margin...He got a little less velocity according to him because he used a 25 inch barrel as opposed to my 26 and 27 inch barrels... Furthermore if you cannot get 95 grs. of IMR-4831 in your 404 case then you got a problem. I can, Mike can and that original load came right out of Guns Magazine. furthemore it was recommended to my by Hoyt whats his name the gun writer that hunts Africa. I won't look up the article because it wouldn't do any good in your case.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, Your BS changes from minute to minute. Others here besides me have noted it and commented on that fact. So of course Mike Brady got what you got, after you adjusted your BS. You are the "Obama Gas" passer. Or you are senile and believe whatever your latest confabulation is. I have heard it said that pathological liars come to believe their own lies, cannot tell the truth from a lie. I have smelled the stench of Obama and he smells like you, like BS: Barack Shit However ... the kindest way to see you Ray, is to assume that you are senile, or insane. If you compare me to Obama one more time, I am going to have to ask Nurse Ratchet to spank your soggy diaper. | |||
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Here is the no-BS skinny on the .375 Wby versus the .375 H&H: With the heavier bullets of 300 to 350 grains, the .375 Wby is 200 to 250 fps faster than the .375 H&H. With the lighter bullets, and the lesser charges of faster powders required for those to stay in pressure limits at top velocity: The .375 Wby has lesser advantage (only 100 to 200 fps depending on how light the bullet) over the .375 H&H. Whatever Ray gets with 350-grainers in his .375 H&H, if he would rechamber to the current .375 Wby (2001 spec, not the 1940's throat), he could get 250 fps higher velocity.  | |||
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So, this 350-gr. projectile business will also work well in my .375 RUM, I suppose? ( ...answer after you guys stop farting at each other... ) ____________________________________________ Did I mention, "I REALLY LIKE GUNS"? "...I don't care what you decide or how much you pay for it..." Former FFL Dealer NAHC Life Member NRA Endowment/Life Member Remington Society of America Member Hunter in Training | |||
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The heavier bullet (350 grainer) in the 375 H&H at a lower velocity than when shooting the litgher bullet (300 grainer) is in fact the reason for better bullet performance. Changing the recipe to up velocities by 250 fps is working against the recipe. Warrior | |||
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To me the .375/350-grain cup&core bullet is of academic interest only. Best performance with a .375-caliber rifle is had by imitating Saeed's .375/404 by using the .375 Weatherby with 300-grain monometal copper softs and solids (FN or cup point): .375/300-grain tough bullet at 5000 ft-lbs muzzle energy. Forget the antique bullets if you want the .375 to really shine. A 1:12" is perfect for .375/300gr monometal copper. Doctari may fear that too fast twist and too high velocity will make his antique bullets disintegrate in midair, but it really is not that bad. Is he recoil shy? Can't handle a 375 like Saeed? | |||
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Nope, RIP. His back-up rifle is a .505 Gibbs -- per his book(s). _______________________ | |||
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I know, I have read his books. Didn't he knock himself unconscious and burn down half his farm with his first shot from the .505? And he was trying to put a sick old dairy cow down when he did it. Elsie cheated the glue factory one more time. Seriously: We take liberties with Doctari because of his luddite ballistic dogma, tall poppy that he is. There are more ways than one to kill Elsie. I like some better than others. Just my personal take it or leave it. | |||
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Jeez Rip your such a wealth of information made up.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Jeez, Ray, still pissin' & moanin'? It is a true story. Doctari wrote it himself. He had a hangfire with the old ammo that came with his .505. "Click." He lowered the rifle from aim at blind and lame cow Elsie. The butt of the gun was pointed at his belly when the gun went off. The muzzle was pointed at the weeds. That punch to the solar plexus knocked him out. The muzzle blast set the dry grass/hay in his farm field ablaze as he lay unconscious in the weeds. You are ignorant of the Doctari literature? The Link to the "Doctari self Abuse and Arson" story ... | |||
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......,., Nice to see every one getting along so well ....... . It is hard to imagine how every one killed all the stuff they killed with the 375 before they invented the 350 gr bullet ...... I prefer the 270 gr in the 375 ....or what is the weight GS HVs are made in 265 gr ??? ... no doubt the 350 gr bullets will kill stuff ,,, but I haven,t heard the 270,s don,t .... It is a shame Federal doesn,t load a 270 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw High Energy ammo .. in 375 H&H .. @ 2800-2900 fps it would be a Shor Nuff end all cure all load...... IMO , re chamber to the Whby cartridge ....It will be a very shootable rifle to hunt with for decades to come .... If you want to lighten your rifle up , go to a synthetic stock .. .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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