Never thought I be asking this question. Spent a hr. or so looking at old threads this evening after coming home from the range.

Hadn't had my .505 out (the forum got me stoked again to do some shooting) in ahile and just restocked it before putting it away for the last few years.

9th round of 600gr ammo today and the stock snapped in half at the wrist just behind the rear reciever bolt. Damnest thing!

BOOM! and I had a two piece "take down".

Spent some coin on this one with all the upgrades so this would never happen. Figured it would last the kid's lifetimes let alone my own!

Literally 1000s of 458 and 416 through my other stocks by the same maker and done in the exact same manner. Now it scares the shit out of me, thinking just how easy this one broke in half.

I'll call the manufacturer in the morning and see if they have a solution. Anyone seen something similar on a big bore? But I think I'll look for a stronger stock than what Kevlar and fiberglass alone can offer.

Suggestions for a "unbreakable" CZ 550 magnum stock?

Uber dense walnut and a proper (smoked) bedding job. Two crossbolts and a steel pin through the wrist.

See if you can get a take off from AHR.
Peter.

who's the maker please?

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Originally posted by RDB:

I'll call the manufacturer in the morning and see if they have a solution. Anyone seen something similar on a big bore? But I think I'll look for a stronger stock than what Kevlar and fiberglass alone can offer.

Suggestions for a "unbreakable" CZ 550 magnum stock?

So, what did the Mfg offer as a solution?

I'm presuming the stock that broke ain't a McMillan?

It's my understanding that McMillan guarantees their stocks. Call them and see what they say, and let them know the rifle and caliber.

KB

Manufacture was just as surprised as I was. Normally a pickup truck rolling over then isn't going to an issue. Sounds like they will replace the stock on warrenty. It is in the mail to them today.

I'll do a follow up when I know more.

FWIW I have had the same stock configuration on a 7# .416 Taylor and on a slightly heavier 458 WM and a .416 Rem with 1000s of rounds through them. The lightest stock in particular has seen use on all three calibers.

Never had an issue with the other stocks and was happy at the quality and customer service.

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Manufacture was just as surprised as I was.

Who is this?

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who's the maker please?

+1

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Originally posted by RDB:
Manufacture was just as surprised as I was. Normally a pickup truck rolling over then isn't going to an issue.

It was my fault for laying the gun down in the pine straw, but once my brother did in fact drive his pickup over one of my McMillan stocks, and I was surprised there was no apparant damage. I've still found no damage, several years later.

KB

I obviously didn't give the maker's name for a reason. First the gun is a 8lb 11oz .505 and I was shooting 600g bullets at 2200+fps.

Numbers that will be tough on any stock. In this case the stock failed on the 9th round shot through it.

I am not looking to beat up the manufature. Some times things just go badly. How about we have a positive thread? And I'll report back once the repairs are underway or the new stock is returned and give credit where it is do.

Even better thanks to several forum members, whom I've never met, I found a laminated stock for my rifle no one was using @ a great price and the glass stock is on the way to be repaired.

I might be popping caps again by week's end

Just in time for my headache from yesterday's recoil to dissapear

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RDB: the gun is a 8lb 11oz .505 and I was shooting 600g bullets at 2200+fps...Numbers that will be tough on any stock.

And most shooters.

Am in the market for a replacement stock for a slightly older CZ 602...Laminate or synthetic...it's a .458 Lott and the original was cracked even before I was asked to have a look at it...anybody know who makes one? CZ (in Europe) said no idea!

In my search last night didn't I read the 550 stocks can be made to fit the 602?

No arguement from me on the recoil. I really dislike shooting the 600gr bullets in this gun. 525s seem tame in comparison....not pleasant mind you, but tame.

I believe CZ550 stocks can be adapted to the ZKK602. There is currently a ZKK602 for sale on GB with a 550 stock.

I shoot 647 milsurps at about 2150 from my A2, but it weighs about 10.5lbs. If it weighed 8.5-9, I couldn't handle it.

it wouldn't be beating up a maker but rather informing your community members.

thanks.

Ganyana,

Call AHR (American Hunting Rifles). They have quite a few CZ 550 Safari take off stocks. I favor the Bavarian styled ones. They will take good care of you for reasonable $$$. Just use three cross bolts and lots of Devcon STEEL epoxy (or equivalent).

You should be able to discern the make of the stock up above by looking closely at the picture. This could happen to any manufacturer of this type of stock at some point. It gets me to thinking that these big boomers might really benefit from internal aluminum chassis systems (like the new CZ stock from Bell and Carlson). I had never thought of that before.

LD

The broken stock pictured above is not a McMillan nor a Bell and Carlson.
Regarding CZ/BRNO, same stock from McMillan is used for both the CZ550 Magnum and the BRNO ZKK 602, Jawohl.
Here is a limited view of one on a BRNO ZKK 602, see the rest of it at McMillan's site:



To replace the stock on a CZ 550 Magnum, "there can be only one" best choice.
It is the CZ Kevlar stock made by Bell & Carlson with a full aircraft-aluminum-alloy endoskeleton/bedding block.

That endoskeleton stretches from butt to forend, from stem to stern, from bow to rudder, from north pole to south pole ... (Get my drift?) ... including serious reinforcement through the grip area.

I only have 3 of these so far and want more.
I got one gratis from CZ when their fancy American black walnut stock broke off at the grip on my mild mannered 404 Jeffery.

The B&C stock gets my vote, good looking too.

I had mine stocked by Brockman, it is the old english style, but it is laminated wood. Would do it again if I ha another cz

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This could happen to any manufacturer of this type of stock at some point. It gets me to thinking that these big boomers might really benefit from internal aluminum chassis systems (like the new CZ stock from Bell and Carlson). I had never thought of that before.

My thoughts exactly. The other .505/.416 Rigby's I built 10 years ago have seen fewer rounds down range than my test mule and all were on AHR's early and beautiful laminated wood stocks. This is a stock I had done for myself about the same time (10 or 11 years ago) and after having it made, never shot it until yesterday.

The flip side is a good number of 10 to 12 lbs. rifles in 505 Gibbs and 500 Jeffery rifles stocked in plain English walnut that have stood the test of time and many, many rounds at 525/535gr bullets at 2300fps.

A bump up to 600 grain bullets at 2200+fps is a big jump in recoil as anyone shooting them knows so well.

I believe my specification for the stock manufacture of a super light stock with a long, trim wrist was the likely culprit in this case.

I have seen carbon fiber/kevlar materials fail in similar circumstances. It is always sudden and catastrophic

MPI, eh?
I have one of those MPI stocks on a Dakota 76 ...

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Originally posted by RIP:

To replace the stock on a CZ 550 Magnum, "there can be only one" best choice.
It is the CZ Kevlar stock made by Bell & Carlson with a full aircraft-aluminum-alloy endoskeleton/bedding block.


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Can the Bell and Carlson stock be purchased from either CZ or B&C? If so, what do the run $$??

Thanks

Excuse me for talking out of place for my brother, but yes, CZ USA will be happy to sell you one.

I dimly remember ~ $430.00 USD being the total charge. This stock does have a Whundhammer swell on the right side of the grip (I believe it is named after Frank Whundhammer, an excellent total gunsmith from circa. early Griffin and Howe times).

Like the Bavarian styled CZ stocks this one swings like a well designed goose hunting shotgun for me; I can get it moving without much trouble, it doesn't want to swing past the desired impact point and in general acts as an extension of my arm/upper body/brain/consciousness. It makes it hard to miss. I believe (but it is up to each person to judge for themselves) that this set up would be deadly with the Golmatic/Recknagel/New England Custom Gun rear peep sight and one of those detestable fiber optic front sights. Your favorite front site:
1. Small or large ball plated with 24 karat gold.
2. Sourdough adjusted and then plated with gold or replaces with warthog ivory (wart hog ivory does not yellow like elephant ivory) - have Jim Dubell at Delta Gun Shop do this! His come out great.
3. Flip over H&H style moon light sight up front. Remember to gold plate the day dot.
4. Whatever you do for the front sight, have two or more made - cheap insurance.

Dig this all you Hep Cats. Very shortly there will be broad distribution of a type of sight recently refined at the INEEL (Idaho National Energy Laboratory). It will be a small insert for the peep sight in back. It will allow you to focus on BOTH the front sight and the target. This all comes as welcome news to this old stock crawler.

LD

PS If you do not want your old splinters, I would be happy to see if I can glue, screw and tattoo them together for a serviceable tracer stock (after I insert bedding areas cut out of other stock types).
SORRY, BACK TO ORIGINAL THREAD.

GANYANA

Check with AHR:
American Hunting Rifles

They can sell you a take off stock with straight grain for a very fair cost. I have a 31 page discussion from several years ago on AR that talks about reinforcement.

With your hand size there will be plenty of wood to take off and get a close to perfect fit.

Ditto Bro'dart about the stock.
With S&H it is around $450 for delivery of one of the CZ Kevlar stocks.
B&C does not sell it direct.
B&C supplies it to CZ-USA,
CZ-USA installs them on factory rifles and also sells them separately to their smartest customers.

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Originally posted by RIP:
The broken stock pictured above is not a McMillan nor a Bell and Carlson.
Regarding CZ/BRNO, same stock from McMillan is used for both the CZ550 Magnum and the BRNO ZKK 602, Jawohl.
Here is a limited view of one on a BRNO ZKK 602, see the rest of it at McMillan's site:



To replace the stock on a CZ 550 Magnum, "there can be only one" best choice.
It is the CZ Kevlar stock made by Bell & Carlson with a full aircraft-aluminum-alloy endoskeleton/bedding block.

That endoskeleton stretches from butt to forend, from stem to stern, from bow to rudder, from north pole to south pole ... (Get my drift?) ... including serious reinforcement through the grip area.

I only have 3 of these so far and want more.
I got one gratis from CZ when their fancy American black walnut stock broke off at the grip on my mild mannered 404 Jeffery.

Ingredients

1 (9 inch) angel food cake
2 (3.5 ounce) packages instant chocolate fudge pudding mix
1 (12 ounce) container frozen whipped topping (such as Cool Whip®), thawed
3 cups milk 1 1/2 teaspoons almond extract
1 (20 ounce) can cherry pie filling

Directions

Use a long serrated knife to cut the angel food cake in half, width-wise. Hollow out each cake half; use the bits of cake to fill the hole in the center, making 2 cake bowls.
Whisk the pudding mix, whipped topping, milk, and almond extract in a large bowl; beat well. Pour pudding mixture evenly into the cake bowls.
Evenly spoon cherry pie filling around the top edge of each cake. Chill cakes in refrigerator for 30 minutes before serving.

Macifej,
What is the name of dessert, "Walterhog Jubilee?"
Hilarious!

Chocolate, cherry, angel, devil jungle cake ... er something or other ... maybe Mrs. RIP could test it out and give us a report. Watch out though Gerard trolls these threads for recipes .. he might beat you to it! BTB my gal pal found your sketch most amusing.