hi
i want to add a new gun to my gun safe and thinking to buy either 375 or 9,3x62 to bring with me to africa as a back up for my 3006 . the idea is to have a gun if 3006 would not be enough or if it happen to meet a Dg having a gun with enough punch for ddoing the job. i want the gun to be around 8 pound too for ease of carrying. mow which one should i choose?
regards
yes

You cant go wrong with ether, but I must say I prefer the more compact round which should be better suited for a light outfit .

Hi!
I would go with the .375HH as it is legal everywhere for everything living on land. The 9,3x62 might be capable of doing the same job, but (to my present knowledge) it is not legal for DG in all african countries. So, just to have a larger land area to choose from I would go with the .375.

Good grief, did I wake up in some strange alternate universe? The correct answer is "both"!

I have no need for either, but I think it makes a lot of sense to move up from the '06 to a light medium, like ozhunter says. A 9.3x62 or .35 Whelen with a 22" medium barrel, light stock, simple fixed power scope, would be really useful. Plus, its a good intermediate step in recoil from .30-06 levels to .375 levels.

If you handload, you can always download the .375 down to 9.3 levels, and there is tons of load data out there. But there's no getting around the H&H must be either heavier or generating much higher recoil levels. There is no free lunch.

Since this is the 'Big Bores' forum, the correct answer is the .375.

George

.375 H&H

Roland

If you are at all recoil sensitive, the 9,3 is a dream, packing a lot punch downrange with minimum fuss behind the butt. It also fits well in a light package. I took one to Namibia in May. But it is definitely a step behind the .375 in power, and if you have a shot beyond 250 yards, you had better know your load's drop at that range, as it simply doesn't shoot as flat as the .375 is capable of.

I have both and a 9,3x74R Chapuis as well.

Either is fine. The .375 H&H is legal for dangerous game everywhere. 9,3x62 rifles are usually lighter and handier.

If you don't have a legal DGR, are recoil sensitive, and might need one, the 375 H&H is a good place to start. If you don't meed a DGR yet ... and are not recoil sensitive get the 9,3x62 and a .416 or .458 later when you need it.

No bad choice here

Hi
thanks for the replies
I can get used to the recoil. but never to the weight being myself a heavy weight i have more than enough to carry around
my first concern is weight of the gun.and i don't mess with the big 5 unless they may attack me.
regards
yes

the slickest "light medium" out there has to be the CZ, expecially the FS like I and several others here own. Check out the 35 Whelen, and add 10+% for bullet weights and ME's. You will have a PH with a real DGR standing within ten feet of you, should you encounter one of the Big Four in a crabby mood. The Germans likely killed a couple hundred thousand buffalo and thousands of elephant and rhino with their 9,3x62's starting about 1910. I own both the 9,3x62 and 375H&H in CZ's so have no axe to grind, either choice is the better of the two.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

This is the perfect gun:



Weighs about 6.5 pounds, handles like a 22. The 9.3 x 74 will kill elephants to ground squirrels, and has, for a long time.

That said, I'm thinking of converting my 30-06 to 963 X 62...


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GS-

assume you meant 9.3x74R, not 9.6...?
I initially thought it was a little bizarre that you were wearing a p&%$y pad while shooting your 9.3, but I guess if it only weighs 6.5 pounds it might be justified. Who made that rifle? Is it a merkel? I've never heard of a merkel 9.3 that only weighs 6.5 lbs.

I shoot a 9.3x74R chapuis and an M70 375 H&H. The 62mm's do have significantly less recoil and come in a more compact package. Other than that, there really isn't any logistical advantage to geting a 9.3 over a 375. A 375 is legal everywhere for DG, factory loads are cheaper and easier to find, has more versatility with reloading, shoots flatter and hits harder than the 9.3.

Some will argue that the reduced recoil of the 9.3 gives the 9.3's an advantage, but a 375's recoil is nothing to be dreaded by anyone. My 5'3" wife has shot mine off the bench without problems. Its recoil is sufficiently less than my 300 weatherby and very similar to my 338 win mag. Recoil on a 375 won't be a problem.

So, the 375 H&H is probably the smart choice because of costs, availability, and performance. That said, I absolutely love the 9.3's. To me, they have some intangible quality that really makes them attractive. They don't perform like the 375 (barring the Brenneke), but I would never hesitate to recommend either a 9.3x62 or a 9.3x74 to anyone. In conclusion, I'll agree with everyone else and suggest you go with both.

In most parts of Africa if you want to hunt Buffalo and the like, its more than likely your PH will not have a problem with you using a 9.3 and in fact he will probably prefer it over a big caliber that you can't shoot well with.

Take a look at the performance tables, consider the legality of the two calibers in African hunting fields, ask why they have such rules/laws, give further consideration to what else you can hunt with the 375HH with a wide, wide, selection of bullet weights, and the decision will be quite clear I am sure. Neither the 9.3x62 or the 74 will outshine the 375HH. (Oh, by the way, small item to consider, but ammo is available anywhere on this planet.) Good luck on whatever you might select.

The .375 is your best bet IMO..Both are good but the .375 is just better..

However your reasoning is idealistic, if your out in the field with a 30-06, the 375 at camp or in the truck is pretty much useless, so that thinking, although universal, doesn't hold much water...

However, it goes well with wives that love their husbands and are concerned about their dear ones safety, and that gets you another good rifle so it ain't all bad.

I couldn't believe the 9.3 wasn't going to REALLY whack me. With high pressure loads, the 375 isn't really far off a 458, and, it's pretty darn snappy.
Besides, we were also shooting my 375, with heavy loads, and a 450 N2, and 500 Nitro Express.

I guess I loose my manhood using a pad for 570's @ 2100, him?

By the way, my conclusion after shooting the 450N2, with 500's at 2150 was why did I wait so long, and what was the big deal?

But old men being bitchy aside, the 9.3 will kill everything, and, it kicks like a 22lr to me. My 375 didn't, maybe due to the Weatherby ammo I've used in it.

I've seen 9.3x62 and 9.3x64 kill everything on the plains game menu with single shots, usually stopping the game right there in place. The .375 H&H does exactly the same thing, only in a larger package thus with more weight and more recoil. I would probably opt for a .375 H&H or a .375 Ruger if I didn't have arthritis in my neck which has restricted the power of the weapons I use. I've discovered via trial and error that the 9.3x62mm with 260 grain class bullets is my practical limit. With one more safari to go, I am staying with my 9.3x62mm Mauser. No, I don't need to do DG (no room left in my house for the trophy).

Yes,
As you stated earlier, your not going to mess with the big 5 and rifle is only for protection at times (don't need to meet the 375 minimum thus that argument is mute) then have either caliber made into an ultra light rifle. IMO if I had a 30-06 then I would go to the 375, it just spans the calibre gap a little better and is the universal medium-big bore on the planet.

Just go with the 378 weatherby you can load it down to the 375HH as well as the 9.3, but if you need more load it up. Very universal IMHO
Roger

If you want a light rifle, I'd go with the 9.3. The 375 has just enough more recoil for me to be annoying and that is in a 10-pound rifle, like my 9.3. If I wanted a 8-pound rifle, it would definitely NOT be a 375 although I like them (three of them).

I shoot 425 and 416, so I don't think I am recoil shy, but I'd suggest not going any lighter than 9 or 9.5 pounds in a rifle like this. You want it heavy enough that you can immediately recover from the shot and not have to think about where you are and what is going on. Big bores can put me in that mode. Kudude

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Originally posted by yes:
hi
i want to add a new gun to my gun safe and thinking to buy either 375 or 9,3x62 to bring with me to africa as a back up for my 3006 . the idea is to have a gun if 3006 would not be enough or if it happen to meet a Dg having a gun with enough punch for ddoing the job. i want the gun to be around 8 pound too for ease of carrying. mow which one should i choose?
regards
yes

The obvious answer is BOTH. You can never have too many guns but you can have too few plus it gives you an excuse to buy more dies and brass.

Take a hard look at a scoped 9,3x74R double.

One great hunting rifle.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Take a hard look at a scoped 9,3x74R double.

One great hunting rifle.

Alongside the .375 H&H and 9,3x62 that you should also buy...

375 H&H would be my choice. I have a Sako AV Battue in 375 and it weighs 8.2 pounds with scope and sling....one of my lightest rifles. Just because many 375's are 10 pound rifles doesn't mean yours needs to be.

Ammo availability for the 375 is excellent. I prefer my loads for all my guns, but being able to save a hunt could be worth it.

Just my .02....

Cheers,

Dan

YES:

I have both a .375 H&H as well as a 9,3X62. I like them both but have really come to prefer the 9,3. It's a fantastic caliber and it makes up into such a nice, light, portable rifle. Mine weighs about eight pounds without a scope. I am convinced that at the ranges at which dangerous game is usually taken (100 yards or less), it will do everything the .375 will do with a lot less fuss and a lot less recoil. Zeroed between two and three inches high at 100 yards, it's right on at 200. There are a bunch of good bullets for it now. For general use, I just shoot the 270 grain Speer semi-spitzers. At 9,3 velocity, I think the work perfectly but, if you want a tough guy bullet, you can get them in various weights from Nosler, Swift, and Woodleigh and Woodleigh makes both softs and solids for the 9,3. It's not a stopping rifle but then again, neither is the .375. This is the cartridge that I wish Ruger had chambered rather than the .375 Ruger. I am giving serious consideration to trading off my .375 and another gun or two on a Blaser semi-weight two barrel set in 30-06 and 9,3. I think that would make a perfect package for hunting all over the world.

The only real drawback to the 9,3 (and it is indeed a serious consideration) is that it is not legal in all parts of Africa for dangerous game. This is something you can visit with your PH about.

Dave

hi dave
living in Sweden we are realy spoiled . there are plenty of old husqvarna rifles chambered in 9,3x62 all with M98 system and very good quality.itseems that 9,3x62 is getting more and more popular in the world. due to my health and age the weight of the gun is very important.it seems 9,3x62 is going to be my next gun. me too i wish RUGER chambered their m77 in 9,3x62 . I own one in 3006 and i love the ballance and weight.
best regards
yes

quote:

Originally posted by yes:
hi dave
living in Sweden we are really spoiled . there are plenty of old husqvarna rifles chambered in 9,3x62 all with M98 system and very good quality.it seems that 9,3x62 is getting more and more popular in the world. due to my health and age the weight of the gun is very important.it seems 9,3x62 is going to be my next gun. me too i wish RUGER chambered their m77 in 9,3x62 . I own one in 3006 and i love the ballance and weight.
best regards
yes

Living in Sweden, why on earth would you want a Ruger when there are so many Husqvarna's ?

hi oz hunter
i own 2 husqvarna which I love . one 640 in 8mm mauser and another 1640 in 6,5x55 wbich is a real tack driver. i own a ruger all weather too because many time the weather is rainy and i don't want to expose my beloved old huskies to rain. they may catch cold I may find a nice husqvarna 246 model in 9,3x62 in future. love huskies great rifles
best regards
yes

Yes: I think you need to box up some of those old Huskies you are swimming around in and ship them to me here in Oregon.

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Originally posted by yes:
....i wish RUGER chambered their m77 in 9,3x62 . I own one in 3006 and i love the ballance and weight.
best regards
yes

Yes,

As I am left handed I have been thinking for a little while about using a mod 77 LH in 30-06 to re barrel to a 9.3x 62. I think it should be a simple job wether on a LH or RH action.

hi bill
if the gun regulation wasn't so hard . i would surely do that and send you a bunch of these nice rifles. here in sewden when an old hunter passes away if his children are not hunter other it would be sold or send for destruction and many of these realy nice guns finish by bieng destroyed. what a great waste of good guns .
regards
yes

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Originally posted by tom`:

The obvious answer is BOTH. You can never have too many guns but you can have too few plus it gives you an excuse to buy more dies and brass.

Well said, Tom.

GS, wearing a wussy pad while shooting a 9.3 doesn't makes you a girly man!

It just makes you look like one.

Stop this nonsense and use only one rifle for Africa.Use a 458 Lott or a 458WM.

"If you are at all recoil sensitive, the 9,3 is a dream, packing a lot punch downrange with minimum fuss behind the butt. It also fits well in a light package. I took one to Namibia in May. But it is definitely a step behind the .375 in power, and if you have a shot beyond 250 yards, you had better know your load's drop at that range, as it simply doesn't shoot as flat as the .375 is capable of."

I have heard many people say that the 9.3 has little more recoil than the .30-06. This may be a naive question, but in reading Chuck Hawks' recoil table, the 9.3x62 is shown as having almost as much recoil as the .375 H&H. Am I reading this chart incorrectly?

I would go for the 375 H&H because of the available of the ammo. I mean the 375 is well known.

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Originally posted by yes:
hi oz hunter
i own 2 husqvarna which I love . one 640 in 8mm mauser and another 1640 in 6,5x55 wbich is a real tack driver. i own a ruger all weather too because many time the weather is rainy and i don't want to expose my beloved old huskies to rain. they may catch cold I may find a nice husqvarna 246 model in 9,3x62 in future. love huskies great rifles
best regards
yes

yes,
I you find a Husqvarna model 246 i will buy it! The best mauser actioned rifle Husqvarna ever made!
How many was made? not more than 100 rifles I guess...
Mean while i have to stick to my Husqvarna m 1600 Special with a claw mounted old Weaver K 2.5, perfect combiantion.

If your hunting plainsgame your 30-06 will do all that..There isn't a lot of difference between an 06 with 220 gr. bullets and a 9.3x62 and 286 gr. bullets when it comes to plainsgame. The 180 and 200 gr. Nosler in an 06 will kill all plainsgame very well.The results will be the same.

I have both 9.3x62 and a .375 H&H and as a practical choice, all things considered the .375 is by far my favorite caliber..If the .375 has too much recoil then load it down a tad and it will recoil like a 9.3x62.

Both are nice calibers, but the bottom line is caliber is not the most important issue. bullet placement and bullet construction will win this bout.

Sorry for

Here is a picture of a Husqvarna model 246


Sold a year ago on a gun auction in Stockholm, price; USD$ 450

227 rifles was made between 1937 - 1941.

.375 is my favorite plus ammo is easier for me to find.