In order to reload my .470, I've decided to get the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme Press Master Kit. This kit includes the following:

Rock Chucker Supreme Press (Supreme press has 4" opening, which is 1/2" larger than Rock Chucker).
505 Scale
Speer Manual #13
Uniflow Powder Measure
Deburring Tool
Case Loading Block
Hand Priming Tool
Powder Funnel
Case Lube Kit
Hex Key Set

In order to get started, Midway recommends the following:

Reloading Manual: Accurate Arms, A-Square, Barnes, Hodgdon, Hornady, Lapua, Lee, Lyman, Nosler, Sierra, SPG, Speer and Vihtavouri.
Press: Single Stage, Turret or Progressive
Dies
Shell holders (if the die set doesn't have them)
MidwayUSA 1292 Tumbler: Media, Polish, Sifter, Bucket and Clear Lid
MidwayUSA Loading Block (caliber specific)
MidwayUSA Case Lube (you won't need if using carbide dies)
Case Neck Brush
Dial Calipers: Stainless Steel or Electronic
Case Trimmer
MidwayUSA Deburring Tool
Primer Pocket Cleaner
Primer Tray
Priming Tool (if the press doesn't come with a primer attachment)
Powder Scale
Powder Funnel
Powder Trickler
Powder Measure (nice for faster powder charges)
MidwayUSA Bullet Puller
MidwayUSA CB/Plastic Ammo boxes and labels

I'll also need to order the brass, powder, bullets, ect.

Some of these items that they say I need include, of course the dies. Well, from what I see on the Midway site, there are many options here. Same thing with some of the other components. The Midway guy I spoke with would not make any recommendations. I need help!
Fortunately, I have a friend that will come to my home once I get all my stuff and help me learn how to do all of this, but at the moment, just ordering everything has been more of a challenge than I expected. Anyone here have any ideas on how to make this process any easier????
Thanks!

A really stout table to mount it on, storage shelves and probably some lighting. Get the rest as you need it.

My recomendations

Quote:

---

Rock Chucker Supreme Press (Supreme press has 4"4.5 inch, actually opening, which is 1/2" larger than Rock Chucker).
505 Scale
Speer Manual #13
Uniflow Powder Measure
Deburring Tool
Case Loading Block
Hand Priming Tool
Powder Funnel
Case Lube Kit
Hex Key Set

In order to get started, Midway recommends the following:

Reloading Manual:
get one that has the 470 NE in it

done Press: Single Stage, Turret or Progressive
ch4d. or the pm i am going to send you Dies
8 bucks, get it. dies nearly never come with them Shell holders (if the die set doesn't have them)
nice to have, not required to start MidwayUSA 1292 Tumbler: Media, Polish, Sifter, Bucket and Clear Lid
get the 470 one, no others will fit MidwayUSA Loading Block (caliber specific)
comes in kit MidwayUSA Case Lube (you won't need if using carbide dies)
in kit Case Neck Brush
get digital if you can. SPEND money here Dial Calipers: Stainless Steel or Electronic
laterCase Trimmer
in kit MidwayUSA Deburring Tool
hmm, toss up if you really nead itPrimer Pocket Cleaner
don't need, in kitPrimer Tray
don't need, in kit hand toolPriming Tool (if the press doesn't come with a primer attachment)
don't need, in kitPowder Scale
don't need, in kitPowder Funnel
don't needPowder Trickler
don't need, in kitPowder Measure (nice for faster powder charges)
don't need, wont work with 470MidwayUSA Bullet Puller
nice to haveMidwayUSA CB/Plastic Ammo boxes and labels.

I'll also need to order the brass, powder, bullets, ect.

---

Also, get the largest handled 50 round box they make <size 11?)

On the brass, 100 for $220 http://www.bellammo.com/caseprices.htm

powder.. get locally, you can't possibley be cose effective to ship

bullets -- woodleigh for getting started, and then see how hawks' do in the rifle.

primers - FEDERAL 215... did i say that loud enough? there is NO other choice for NEs with over 100gr

I don't recall a single book that has load data for the 470, except barnes and ASYW... and don't use branes in your gun UNLESS you have a SNAILMAIL from the maker, saying it's fine.

you are on a good path...

ah, get the rcbs mounting plate while you are at it.

jeffe

Manual, start with the one printed by the maker of the bullet your going to use.
Caliper, basic 6" metal, dial type, Sears, Tool store, Pawn shop, Yard sale etc.
Kit has a loading block, or make your own with a block of wood and a drill.
Kit has a powder measure, press and most of the basics included.
Tumbler is a "later" item
Inertia puller is your "opps" erasier (must have item)
Dies and Shell holder, unless your buying LEE dies (they come with one). Personaly I like RCBS dies. Carbide is for streight wall cases only, so don't sweat it if you don't see one for your rifle.
Case lube, kit come with some, I prefer the Hornady Unique lube (dab rubbed into palms, roll cases between hands).
Trimmer, I'd recogmend the Lee setup (2 seperate items, 1 universal and 1 specific to cartridge) at first, than a "lathe type" as your needs require.

There's a lot of things on Midway's list that are nice, but not necessory. IE: you can make a primer pocket cleaner out of a old screwdriver, and a neck brush out of a bore brush and a handle.
Get the Kit, 1 extra manual, caliper, bullet puller first, than see what you need to add down the road (in fact get the extra manual first, than read the intro section several times so that you know what it is that you need before sending in your order)

I recommend the A-Square loading manual "Any Shot You Want".

Do you have any friends in your area who reload? It will help if one of them comes over to get you started. Frankly I think you will be over-accessoriezed with all that stuff. I have been loading for 28 years, several hundred to several thousand rounds per year, and I don't have all that stuff.

Finally, you need something to put those home brew cartridges in. May I suggest:



http://www.heritagearms.net/africase.html

I would also suggest some lead bullet loads. A good starting point will be 45.0 grains XMP5744 with a 500 grain lead bullet. That seems to regulate in just about everyone's 470 and will be 1400 to 1500 fps with nearly no recoil. It's cheap comfortable practice ammo. THe man who can supply the cast bullets is:

Wayne Doudna
26070 Starlight Lane
Richland Center, WI
53581-4003
Phone 608-647-8070
Email: wdoudna@hotmail.com

This is all such great info and I want each of you to know how much I appreciate it. No doubt many of you have gained valuable experience thru trial and error and your generosity in offering me this assistance will clearly help me reach a level of reloading proficiency must faster than I ever could on my own.
Thanks!

I bought the CH4D dies. Shop around as the price can vary considerably. email me and I'll send you some 500gn cast bullets to try out. They shoot fine in mine at 2150fps. idahobronco@aol.com
You don't need a powder trikler, you can use a spoon if you want.
A powder measure is real handy for loading lots of ammo, but you could wait on that and see if you load enough to justify it.
The dial caliper is a very handy tool to have. You probably don't need a second manual right away. You can go to the Hogdon's site for a comparison on load data for other calibers. I use 5gns of dacron ontop of the RL15 in my loads. I'm useing Bell brass from Midway, it comes in a plastic box already. I did get a pile of Fed brass from Jeffe, but haven't loaded any yet. I've only used the Fed 215 primer. A recent article suggests that the Win mag rifle primer is hotter than the Fed 215 though.
Remember to lube each case before you size them. If you forget and the case gets stuck in the die, don't try to pry it out, you just mess up the sizeing die. Come here for directions as they are real easy to get unstuck. Don't use too much lube though or it will put wrinkles on the case.

Maybe I'll just pass on my way now.
unscrew the decapper pin and pull it up out of the way as far as possible. Get a drill and tap combo for 1/4"x20 at the hardware store along with a variety of 1/4x20 bolts and a couple of washers. Drill out the primer pocket and tap for threads. Get an old socket that will slip over the case head, but still rest on the die body. Put a washer on a bolt and screw into the case. Use a wrench to crank the bolt down until the case pops out. You might just get all the parts ahead of time and keep them in a ziplock baggie so you have them ahead of time. It works great and saves a big headache.

Lar,
I'ld like to see that article... and then drag the fella that wrote it to the range... and let him shoot my 500

On my 500 jeff, with win LRM, I had 100% hangfires with 80% loads (was fine with 95%loads) ... not seconds, but you heard the firing pin strike... SERIOUSLY when you pulled the trigger, clic-boom

exact same load.. changed to federal 215's at a doubel rifle shooters suggestion...

perfect...

You know, the win's MIGHT have a higher max temp... I'll grant that could happen...

jeffe

Keeping all other variables constant (i.e., case, powder, bullet, rifle), and just changing from Fed. 215 to Win. Large Rifle Magnum primers, Art Alphin, in ASYW, and John Barsness, in the most recent Handloader, report much higher pressures (using good pressure testing equipment--not the usual seat-of-the-pants stuff that's been proven so unreliable), but oddly enough, similar velocities, using the Win. primers.

But, as you say, that the Win.'s are "hotter" doesn't--necessarily--mean that they're more reliable ingniters of large powder charges.

Jeffe, I was referenceing the latest Handloader page 58.

Here is a website from a guy who has done a comparison on the amount of energy in different primers.
http://www.castingstuff.com/primer_testing_reference.htm