Ok, I haven�t done a lot of investigation, and I guess this issue already has been discussed on the board, but though�

I am the lucky owner of a .416 Taylor and have lots of good experiences shooting, hunting and reloading. Until now I�ve only used .458 Win Mag brasses and necked those down to 416 � in one step. Easy as �

Yesterday I bought some .338 Nickel brasses and tried to neck them up. That wasn�t easy! First step was to 358, next to 375. But when I, as a third step, tried the Taylor die, all brasses collapsed.

What shall I do

Pete

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I have necked up Winchester 338 brass (not nickel) in one pass to 416 Taylor, fifty pieces or so, and didn't lose any. Case necks end up a little short, and often slightly longer on one side (this effect is lessened if you expand in several small steps, use enough lube, and rotate the case a few degrees in between steps).

Nickel plated brass should be harder, so I'm not sure what's going on there. I recently annealed some brass too far into the shoulder area, and found they would collapse when I seated bullets.

Todd

I don't have a .416 Taylor....yet, but I neck lots of .338 brass up to .375/.338. Always works like a charm, never lose a case. It's a long way up from .338 to .416. If you can't get .458 brass, I would think that it would be best to neck the .338 brass up in two steps. I don't use the plated brass. It is troublesome, as you are experiencing, and has no advantage over standard brass in my opinion.

[ 06-15-2002, 18:03: Message edited by: Phil R ]

Gents, I don�t have any trouble getting 458 brasses. The reason for trying 338 Nickel was for fun and just a matter of esthetics. By the way; I talked to 460Wby on the phone today, and he said that he managed to neck out the 338 plated brasses in one step without much of a problem. His brasses have been fired once. Mine is new and unfired. Maybe that�s a reason

Pete

Hello Peter.
Nice talking to you again.
You forgot to mention that we have different dies to. You use Redding, and i use RCBS. Maybe it also have something to do with the tapering of the expander button in the resizer die??
I also love those "shiny ones", just because my friends HATE them!!!!

358PCAK,
Have you tried using Imperial Sizing Wax? Sometimes that stuff will do miracles when case forming. FWIW

Good Hunting,

Nice too see so many 416 taylors here in Norway! I have just started building one myself, or should I say Ola Gujord is making me one*S*Do anyone have any experience with Hornady 416 Taylor dies?Just got mine from Midway, and it looks as the neck is getting a little short, when I necked down some WW 458 cases, compared to the drawings in the A-square reloading book. But the necks isnt all that bad compared to some pictures I have seen in some gun magazine(V�penjournalen) Comments anyone? I am really looking forward to getting my Taylor:-))

Thanks Andy! I�ll see if I can get some of that good stuff over here in Norway. And thanks to you, Arild, reminding me about the differences in our dies. I also came up with a idea yesterday, that is neck those .338 brasses into .358 NM and fire them once in my rifle before I size them further

Yes, I know I�m seeking trouble, but as craigster say: there's a fine line between hobby and mental illness

Maral, I have just one Hornady die-set(.308 Win), and I�m satisfied with it. I guess you should wait for your rifle and judge your cases after you have fire formed them(that is if they feed well in the first place)

Pete

Hello Maral.
Nice to see that it's another 416 T fan here in Norway. I bet you'll be satified with your new gun. What are you thinking of using it on, moose??
I recomend the 340grs. Woodleigh bullet. Loaded to approx. 2350 f/s.
I agree with 358PCAK. Wait untill you have your rifle before judging the die -set. Be aware of that there appeares different measures on the 416 Taylor, in different books!!
Shech this one:
http://www.geocities.com/bw_99835/

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 358PCAK

Have you tried to fire form your brass from 338 to 416? Just take your 338 brass using a large rifle primer 15 grains of bullseye pistol powder with a small amount of cotton to keep the powder against the primer. Fill the case up with cereal to just below the neck. Once you have a bunch of cases ready to this point just take a bar of parrafin wax and melt it into the case mouth to the point that it crowns. Then take them out and fire them straight up in you 416 Taylor chamber and you will have 416 Taylor brass.

470 Mbogo

470Mbogo has the answer. I did 125 cases this way. They started out as 308 Norma,I necked them uo to 358Norma then fireformed them with bullseye and cream of wheat. I didn't use wax but made a plug from kleenex like mom makes for nosebleeds.The shoulders are not real sharp after but this is fixed with the first shot with a full load.Mark

Thanks!

It looks like this is what I am searching for. I guess I can use some N 110 powder instead of bullseye, witch is hard to find in Norway. 470Mbogo, you use cereal and you 358Mark used cream of wheat . What is that? Something you eat? Can you use other material? I�m sorry to bother you whit these stupid questions, but now I�ve com to an end concerning the English language. Please help me out

In stead of paraffin wax and Kleenex, can I use wax from a candle and just let it drip down into the case mouth?

Great Web site you got there 470Mbogo

Pete

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Looks like there are plenty of good advice here ;-)

460Wby,a package from Parabellum arrived today, containing some nice Woodleigh bullets:340g PP, 410g RN and 410g FMJ! Thoose FMJs really looks nice! I have planned to use the taylor for almost anything that walks, from beaver and up.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by .358PCAK:

Hi .358PCAK,
Cereal, porridge, or oatmeal it's all the same as far as material to blow out your cases. I just use wax or paraffin wax in the bars because it's really easy to use a propane torch on low heat to keep the wax running while you pass the running wax from case to case. The wax makes the neck blow out better because it flows in behind the base of the neck which helps to push it out when firing.

470 Mbogo

Maral
I have done some business with Ola Gujord when I lived in that ara , really nice fella.
Say hello to him from Arild Iversen when you see him again and tell him I finally got my 35 Whelen

About yor 416 Taylor project, what about some details ??
My next rifle is most likely to be a Taylor based on one of the numerous used 338 winnis on the marked .

Thanks again Dave, I`ll save some of my leftovers after today’s dinner

Pete

Arild. My 416 taylor is based on an old BRNO ZKK 600 action( the one with pop-up peep sight in the rear bridge), a 25" Douglas premium barrel with recknagel"masterpiece" barrelband front sight. With time it will get a nice piece of turkish walnut, formed by Ola. I have got 2 scope sights for the gun: a Kahles 1,1-4,5X20 in Warne QR rings and a Zeiss/Jena 4X with BRNO quick detachable mounts.
I talk too Ola Gujord on almost daily basis, and will give him your regards:-)

460WBy, you wrote about the 340g Woodleigh at 2350fps, is that a max load?What powder? Barrel lenght? I had hoped to get about 2500-2600fps with this bullet, but maybe this is impossible?

Maral, I think 2600 f/sec are too much, but you can probably get more than 2350 with the 340 grs Woodleigh. I reach almost 2350 with the 400 grs Hornady RN in my 23� barrel.

Pete

MY GOD ARE YOU SERIOUS, DROPPING HOT WAX ON THE CASE MOUTH, TELL ME YOUR KIDDING PLEASE!! Don't do that.

Your problem is that your 416 dies do not have a tapered expander ball and the expander ball is crushing your cases...

Two alternatives: Get a tapered expander ball or get a seperate tapered expander rod from RCBS. the expander rod will do the deed with one pass...

Thanks, Ray! What harm can hot wax do to your cases

Pete

Hello Maral.
I dont doubt that it's possible to get more velocity in the 340 grainer, but I did'nt want that. I want a dinner instead!
My thought was; They called the bullet 340grs. 416" Rigby!
The Rigby are a caliber made for African Big Game Trophys, and with no consern to the meat-damage. So I looked at the reloading tables for the Rigby and noted the velocity it developes with that bullet. Then my thought was to to go down a some f/s from the Rigby, just to save some meat. And the Norwegian moose is'nt that hard to kill.
But with that bulletweight I always get a "shot-trought". It have performed perfectly so far. And most of all:.......I love to use bigger bores!!!
The load I use is 73grs. of Norma 11 (approx. similar to 202 or Vith.N140).

358CAK,
First rule of handloading is NEVER have an open flame around you...the proper way to use the wax is melt a bunch of it on a flat surface like wax paper, keep it about 1/4" thick, then fill the primed case with powder and whatever then with thumb press the wax over the case mouth like a cake cutter it will seal the case.

I get it

Thanks again Ray!

Pete

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Atkinson:

Hi Ray,
Did anyone mention doing this near your reloading bench. You have 13 grains of powder covered by cotton and probably 7/8 of a case of oatmeal. The running wax sets up in about 2.5 seconds and will hardly burn your finger. The very low flame is on the wax just enough to keep it running with the wax pouring off a corner. I've done this for years and I don't have a problem with it at all. I usually set up 50 cases and just run from one to the other. The necks hardly get warm and from there down it's stone cold. Your reference to open flame around your reloading bench is well taken but I thought that would go without saying.

470 Mbogo

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Well said!! awtc

I�ve done what you guys suggested: fast powder (approx 20 grs of N110), some cotton, oatmeal and everything sealed with toilet paper. A nice little blast, though paper and oatmeal all over my yard. But nice looking cases � that was at first sight. When I looked at the case mouth, there were a lot of small cracks. I tried a few more cases, but all with the same results. I guess I�ve got bad quality cases? Maybe I should forget my stupidity and stick to my good old brasses

Pete