I saw this advertised but I'm not sure if it a good price or not. No collector value but a pre 64 375 h&h action. What do you think?

"Pre 64 Win 70 375 H&H EXC $1,150.00"

"Mfg in 1954, appears to have been refinished (matte blue) and the bbl shortened to 22", recrowned and a new front ramp fitted. Stock is full length and Pachmyr pad has been substituted for the original pad. Excellent bore, handy package for nasty beasts in tight spots. (Receiver site offered separately)."

Sounds steep for an action, but not for a good shooter.

$600 gun max-Rob

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
$600 gun max-Rob

I agree that it seems priced a bit high, given the modifications and lack of factory rear sight, etc.

However, the action alone (w/bottom metal) is worth at least $750 or more. And you could sell the stock on Ebay for $150 or more. Just those 2 things add up to $900, so I can't agree with Robgunbuilder's assessment of $600.

Actually, Robgunbuilder, if you have any complete Pre-64 Magnum actions (not even including the stock and barrel) that you would be willing to sell for $600, I will buy them all, just tell me where to send funds.

Tim

It's hard to tell from the photos but the finish on the action looks original.

too old,useless

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Originally posted by shootaway:
too old,useless

Right handed, useless

I'd pay that for the rifle, if it would keep 5-shots under 2" at 100 yards...and be very happy to do so. At worst, you are a new barrel away from a 458 Lott.

For those of you that may have missed the news last March; they ain't making Old Model 70's anymore in this country.

Buy it and be happy!!!
Rich
DRSS

It's a really nice rifle but will it perform as good as a similar modern rifle? I see it more as an antique.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
It's a really nice rifle but will it perform as good as a similar modern rifle? I see it more as an antique.

I have never heard about an issue about age with these rifles.

Yea they go sour after a while.That gun is all most as old as I am so it must not be worth much. pretty old and tired.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
It's a really nice rifle but will it perform as good as a similar modern rifle? I see it more as an antique.

Nah, probably got termites in the steel.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Even in LV pre-64 actions don't go for $750. I do have one that I might be willing to sell for $750.-Rob

The trouble with these is that the only thing I would want would be the action, yet I would have to pay for the whole thing.

And as far as I can tell, Rob, the going price for such actions alone these days is north of $750. Say, $850. Less would be a bargain.

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Even in LV pre-64 actions don't go for $750. I do have one that I might be willing to sell for $750.-Rob

The standard actions don't go for $750, but any action that came out of the factory as a 375H&H or a 300H&H will go for $750 and above, provided it is complete and has not been messed with.

YES, I realize all Pre-64 M70 actions are the same outside dimensions (a .243 is the same as a 375H&H) but with the 300 H&H and 375 H&H "Magnum" actions, the factory removed metal to open up the action, added a larger magazine box, different follower, mag bolt face, and the rear spacing on the mounting holes is different on these two actions. That is why they are considered "Magnum" and go for +$750.

Tim

I am confused here....Robgunbuilder said the complete rifle was worth $600 max...yet he has an action alone that is worth $750. Why does having a factory, although shortened, barrel, reciver sight, reblued barrel, original stock with new pad added make this gun worth $150 less?

Thunder stick, that rifle seems to be fairly priced for what it is. A Model 70 Classic in that configuration will cost you more than that these days and I'd rather have the one pictured. The sum of the parts is worth as much as the asking price. I notice that it has what appears to be a Lyman 48 receiver sight. Hopefully it is a later model that didn't require notching of the stock. A Lyman 48WJS can be worth upwards of $100, so you have to figure that into the value.

I get tickled by the comments here regarding the value of pre 64 model 70s. To anyone that thinks they can buy a modified pre 64 375 for $600-800, simply because it has been modified, GOOD LUCK, I hope it works out for you.

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Originally posted by thunder stick:
I saw this advertised but I'm not sure if it a good price or not. No collector value but a pre 64 375 h&h action. What do you think?

"Pre 64 Win 70 375 H&H EXC $1,150.00"

"Mfg in 1954, appears to have been refinished (matte blue) and the bbl shortened to 22", recrowned and a new front ramp fitted. Stock is full length and Pachmyr pad has been substituted for the original pad. Excellent bore, handy package for nasty beasts in tight spots. (Receiver site offered separately)."

I would have to see the .375 H&H factory rollstamp on the barrel and/or check the serial number, proof marks, etc.

Did the .375 H&H not have any crossbolts from the factory in 1954? I forget.

If it is a shortened factory barrel it would be worth more to me than a rebarrel of a 300 H&H, as long as it would still shoot.

But it looks to me like the barrel and the action have a matching finish or re-finish.
my 1952 30-06 and 1958 300 H&H had a matte blue action finish and satin/gloss blue barrel finish, IIRC. This one looks like it has been gray Parkerized, though the photography may be causing this impression.

The wood looks like typical Winchester 30-06 stock wood for early 1950's.

Notice that the Lyman receiver sight comes extra. Add that $100 onto the asking price.

Very Finn-Aagaardish if it shoots, but it would have to have those home-made crossbolts smeared with epoxy on the outside to make it look more like Finn's.

A friend just got a 54 vintage 375H&H 99%original metal,95%stock,Jaeger side mount,Leupy4X for $675.hopefully a really good friend&sell it to me.

Something about the rear receiver ring dosen't look quite right to me. Anyone else?

It's probably past 'best if used by date' and the stock is not ideal for scope use.
Looks like an old clunker to me.
Look, for <$1200 you can buy and new rifle in good choice of calibers, so why bother with the stupid old action.

I used a Pre'64 Model 70 in .375 H&H Mag. on my African trip. When my PH asked me what kind of rifle I was using I told him of the above, and he was very happy. With both the rifle, and caliber. I'm glad that the Pro's like them old clunkers too!

micdis, could you elaborate on what you see on the rear bridge? I'm not seeing it.

There have been a couple of posts on this thread concerning the rifle being "too old" to be any good. Are these suppose to be jokes and I'm just too thick to get it? Anyone with 50+ year old model 70s that can no longer do the job, I'm willing to take them off of your hands for a fair price. I've never heard of an expiration date on a rifle.

M Pursell...don't forget all those really old English double and bolt rifles made in the teens and 20's of last century....I will take those old and decrepit guns from those who don't want them and even pay postage!

wasnt i who commented on the rear ring.looks OK to me.all the H&H actions are cut out at the front of the rear receiver ring to facilitate the longer cartridge.about the same depth as the clip slot cuts on the pre war 70 actions.the rear of the front ring also has a ~1/4" cut for same reason.cht on rear ring brings the scope mounting d&t holes closer .330 instead of .440 (i think) have looked at 3 H&H size(opening) actions in last wk-not soon enough to buy though.this one doesnt look different to me ,unless im missing something.

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
The trouble with these is that the only thing I would want would be the action, yet I would have to pay for the whole thing.

And as far as I can tell, Rob, the going price for such actions alone these days is north of $750. Say, $850. Less would be a bargain.

Agreed.

Non cloverleaf too bad, many of the H&Hs still were made with cloverleafs.

I will say this though, mark-up appears to be only $200 since Winchester went tits up.

$900 WAS about right though, but now...supply-demand. (I paid $900 for the last three I bought.)

Inflation?????Don't know, maybe $1000-1050, nah.

M Pursell, I was thinking that where the action was opened looked a bit different than factory. I just took a look at mine though and it looks the same.

It's not a clunker, when compared to those Oberndorf 'Bs' it's a young buck! I would like to see couple cross bolts and straighter stock, but it's perfectly usable gun.
At last show I have seen Strum, Ruger Inc. 77 .458Win in like new condition for $750. One gets better scope mounting setup, nicer wood and better stock design for less, so why bother with this one.
PS. Beware, Americans don't pay for mounted scopes or improvements to old rifles.