Could some one tell me whether all the controversy surrounding the Blaser R93 action has been settled? I have recently read some posts on here that are a little worrisome. I know that this is a hot subject and I am not trying to cause an argument. I am only asking if there has been a resolution to this controversy.

Thanks
John

John,

Many are opinionated, if your rifle works fine and you are satisfied with it, do not worry..Some like CR and some like push feed...
Some Blaser have misfired some ammo, if I am correct..

Mike

All right-minded people now agree that it’s an abomination.

Actually, you'll probably never find agreement on this action. Folks on both sides of the argument agree there is no common ground.

Yes, it has been fully resolved.

As I have said before, anyone who is worried about the integrity of their R93 rifles, receivers, barrels, etc. should feel free to contact me.

I will gladly take them off their hands for a small handling fee only, as a public service of course, since they are such a public safety risk.

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
All right-minded people now agree that it’s an abomination.

Actually, you'll probably never find agreement on this action. Folks on both sides of the argument agree there is no common ground.

I could not have said it better myself...

Some people like them, some people don't. If people would stop looking for affirmation and just use what they like, the issue would be settled.

Likewise the CRF vs. PF 'controversy', the iron sights vs. scope 'controversy', the double rifle vs. bolt-action rifle 'controversy', the .45 vs. 9mm 'controversy', the .30-06 vs. .308 'controversy', lever-action .45-70s as DGR, etc.

Proponents of each side believe they are right; instead of arguing, they should just go hunting and prove to themselves just how right they are.

George
P.S. I won't pay what Blaser is charging for their rifles, barrels, and scope mounts.

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:

P.S. I won't pay what Blaser is charging for their rifles, barrels, and scope mounts.

Blaser is actually at the very low end of what nice rifles cost.

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Originally posted by 500grains:

Blaser is actually at the very low end of what nice rifles cost.

I don't consider the Blaser R93 all that nice of a rifle; its switch-barrel capabilities are interesting, but for $3000, I could get a LH CRF big-bore rifle instead of a Blaser.

George

what George S said!!

Rich
NRA Life Member
DRSS

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I'll speak up. I was a dyed in the wool Mauser CRF guy for years. About 6months ago a AR member here challenged me to shoot his blaser R93. He even offered it up for me to take home with me. Well I traded one of my customs for a R93 offroad and a 9.3x62 barrel. That gun shoots little groups, the trigger breaks clean and I can pull the barrel off and shoot with my 30-06 barrel and it stacks them in there too.

I now have 2 frames (offroad, tracking) 3 barrels and plans for a Attache and 3 more barrels over the next year. It is the best rifle out of the box you can buy. I have spent thousands of dollars on custom M70's that have not shot as well a my "out of the box R93", and that did not feed as well either.

These are just my OP. I know they are like A-holes everyones got one and they all stink!

505ED

I also would like to know wheher the controvery over the action, especially the safety of the action, has been resolved. In researching the Blaser rifle on the Internet, I found photos in a European gun magazine of two European shooters who were horribly maimed in the face by Blaser bolts that reportedly got launched into the shooters' eyes. If I recall correctly, some engineer opined that the design of the bolt/rifle is defective from a safety perspective in how it handles an over-charge, and Blaser was threatening to sue the engineer unless he issued a retraction.

I was interested in the Blaser until I encountered this controversy. Now, I am afraid to consider a Blaser without some resolution of the issue. Can anyone provide additional information about this particular matter?

the blaser offers, as standard, the constant adrenaline rush no other boltgun can...the russian roulette of sorts seeing if the bolt will stay in the rifle or fly thru your right eye and orbital socket when you pull the trigger. I prefer my rifles with the stodgy, old fashioned bolt stop.

JMHO

Rich

Here's a test

Before you buy a Blaser gently load a round into the chamber ( as thougth you are loading a rifle knowing there is a buck 20 yds infront of you. Continue till the bolthandle is in the vertical but dont hammer it home. It should now be cocked. Fire the action off. Sometimes it will fire the round some times the action will release but the pin isnt close enough to the primer to fire the round. This can happen also if rubbish gets into the action.
Make your own mind up but I know on a std bolt action this can't happen.

Mark

I just tried it 3 times today it went bang all three time. I'm just lucky I guess.

MarkH
If you do not push the bolt handle all the way down or a "conventional" bolt rifle it will not fire either.

As far as I have been able to determine all ther Blaser blowups have occured with reloaded cartridges, mostly in Europe.

I have shotm my Blasers quite a bit with No problems.
I have hunted them in severe rainy and dusty conditions, again with no problems.

I have seen most every kind of rifle "blown up".

I do know this, every Blaser R 93 I have knowledge of has worked 100% out of the box without ANY gunsmithing necessary. They feed, extract, eject, and do not split stocks.

The scope mounts fit without any off center problems, and when removed go back to zero 100% of the time.

The triggers are some of the best, if not the best on ANY rifle.

Hi NE

I know the problem is rare but it happened to me on a follow-up of a kudu in Botswana.
With my Sauer and both my mausers when the arm is down its cocked and the action fully closed.

With the Blaser it was cocked but the action wasnt fully locked, and the action fired, but the pin did not hit the primer on the cartridge.

I hunt a lot in Germany and the Blaser is very popular especially with driven hunting,I wouldnt hesitate in buying one if I needed one (possibly the 8mm).
Just reporting what happened.

Mark
All actions have here problems this

I’d never heard they were subject to operator error. Now my hatred for them has no bounds!



Kyler

Exactly. I like my firearms to be idiot proof for those moments when things dont go right.

Mark

As for the thing that it does not go off if the bolt is not closed, sounds somewhat dingydingdingding to me, as - like NE450N2 says - same thing happens with a mauser if the bolt is not closed. To blame this on the gun is way out there.

We know of 3 serious acidents, were the bolt has made a hole in the shooters face. All with very high preassure, caused by either bad homeloads or actually the wrong cartridge - a 7mmRM was fiered in a .270Wea'byMag if I recall it correctly.
After this the action has been improoved to a certain point, but it will still make a hole in your face if the preassure is high enough. We know of no acidents after the improovement.

Like Jørgen says, "All rifles can blow up, what matters is how it inflict the shooter if it happens."

I do not worry about it.

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Originally posted by ALF:
And not to forget, in the hands of someone who knows how to use one you can fire the thing off like a damned machine gun and with some accuracy as well. Seen it done on video against the clock, runs rings around the traditional Mauser or doubles in this department

If I wanted to hunt with a machine gun, I would have used a proper one.

I don't like them one little bit!

In fact, I prefer not have anyone shoot them in oir range. We have had far too many misfires with this rifle. With ammo that fires normally either in the same rifle, or in others if tried.

I think the problem is oprator generated. People tend to just pull the bolt back, and push it slightly forward.

In many instances, the bold does not seem to lock completely, causing the misfires. Every time we pushed the bold forward until it stopped, they fire without problems.

With a normal bolt action, one generally lifts the bolt, pull it back, push it forward and down.

With the Blaser, people seem to become too complacent and just give the bolt a little push, and goes forward by itself.

I am afraid I will stick to a normal bolt action, and try to make do with one accurate shot - and leave the machine gunning for those who enjoy that sort of thing.

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:
As for the thing that it does not go off if the bolt is not closed, sounds somewhat dingydingdingding to me, as - like NE450N2 says - same thing happens with a mauser if the bolt is not closed. To blame this on the gun is way out there.

We know of 3 serious acidents, were the bolt has made a hole in the shooters face. All with very high preassure, caused by either bad homeloads or actually the wrong cartridge - a 7mmRM was fiered in a .270Wea'byMag if I recall it correctly.
After this the action has been improoved to a certain point, but it will still make a hole in your face if the preassure is high enough. We know of no acidents after the improovement.

Like Jørgen says, "All rifles can blow up, what matters is how it inflict the shooter if it happens."

I do not worry about it.

Bent you must not say bad things (no matter how tru they are)about Bla**r
You migth begin suffering from tinitus, because of the constant phoneringing from a german person, from the propagandadepartment, Who will try to threaden you to silence

To correcten you, the 7mm-270wea incident was actualy a Weatherby mark V

But you are actualy correct about the at least 3 sever incidence with the "gardena" system.
1 in Austria (composit housing , high preasure
1 in Germany (aluminiumhousing, high presure)
1 in Norway (jan Sørli) (composit housing, no sighns of high presure, but a crack in the casehead)
Ewil persons concider a Bla**r a dubble barreled rifle(The front 20-26" to launce the bullet. The rear 3/4" to launche the bolthead )
All 3 incidence luckily happened at a shootingrange, with other people to supply first-aid, and call for ambulances (or helikopters), for instant transport to a traumacenter. All 3 was in a acute lifetreatening condition, wit sever headinjuries, and at least 1 with "cranial" fractuer.

There has ben a TV serie on Danish television, with a former Jægersoldat(marine cor) guiding "VIP" around in the middle of nowhere.
Once in South Africa, in one scene the VIP should try shooting a Duiker, with a Bla**r Pro.
Then you saw him fail cockind this damed safetydevice twice. The third time he grabbed harder around the grip(and unfortunatly the trigger) determined to cock the rifle. The result chocked the former elitesoldier, because he got his hat blown off, by the misfire

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For all I know they may be the greatest invention ever... They are Butt-Ugly to me and thats enough.

Had a buddy in Alaska who had to have one when they first came out. Early 90's???

I have never been tempted by one of these petite bourgeois baubles.

Jester's staff?
Gewgaw?
Devil's pitchfork?

Get thee away from me satan with thy Bla**r.

Mainly they just make me feel blah when I see them or hear their ownwers talking about them, bla, bla, bla. I figured that was why they are called "blah-zer."

Blaser

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Originally posted by Saeed:

I think the problem is oprator generated. People tend to just pull the bolt back, and push it slightly forward.

In many instances, the bold does not seem to lock completely, causing the misfires. Every time we pushed the bold forward until it stopped, they fire without problems.

With a normal bolt action, one generally lifts the bolt, pull it back, push it forward and down.

With the Blaser, people seem to become too complacent and just give the bolt a little push, and goes forward by itself.

And here is the main problem described perfectly by Saed.

It does operate diffrently from a Win Mod 70, and it takes time to get used to, but no more than on a pump rifle. Same thing on that one, if you do not fulfill the loading cycle, your gun will miss-fire. No one makes a deal of that?

The only Blaser-users I have heard of that does not like them, are the ones with their faces punctured.

Someone here has a great signature, that goes something like this: " All skills counts for nothing, when an angel decides to pee in your muskets flash-hole."

Perhaps someone can point me in the right direction on the following questions:
1. What locks the bolt in place on a Blaser? On a "conventional" rifle, the lugs lock into recesses in the receiver, right?
2. On a conventional rifle, I assume that the bolt cannot come flying back into the face of the firer under any circumstances, right? But supposedly this has happened with a few Blaser shooters. Even with over pressure loads, conventional rifles, have barrels split, gases venting throught bolt vents, magazines etc, but not bolts flying back.
I am not of the belief that anything worth inventing in the world of rifles has already been invented, and in fact was invented by this guy Mauser, but a good mechanical understanding would be helpful.
Thanks, peter.

Peter,

The Blaser web site explains it more fully, but the bolt head has 'fingers' which expand into a recess in the barrel. I don't believe the action handles any of the pressures.

I am sure that in the 109 years that the M98 system has been in use, someone, somewhere managed to shear the lugs off a bolt, but I cannot remember hearing about it.

George

Hello,
Believe if you do some research you will find photos of just that, a split bolt body, sheared right lug, extracor broken, etc. on a Mauser 98. Seems like it was a month or so ago it was shown. Fairly graphic photos of a failed action, but as you mentioned in some 40plus years of being active with firearms have never witnessed such a failure. Some stuck bolts, ruptured cases, but nothing as dramatic as sheared lugs/bolt bodies.

I`ve had an R93, and I would never hesitate to buy one again. Works REALLY well, and shoots even better!