There are not any crossbolts, should I add some? What type of barrel band would you suggest? I used a Uncle Mikes on my 9.3. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.

I would definitely add a couple of cross bolts for & aft the mag box and bed it.

It will crack the stock otherwise mate.

Though I have only seen one of the new stocks, it is the more traditional "dense-looking" Walnut stock and not the "balsa wood" stock that comes on the hognacks. I would doubt that it needs crossbolts. Bedding probably, if they haven't done it.

I would love to hear from someone who has bought and shot one of these new ones.Anybody care to report on their personal firsthand experience? Thanks,

Picked one up last week and shot about 15 rounds through it.
Handled very well , little or no muzzle rise for me , open iron sights with a handload worked up via the Prowley tool can shoot 1 MOA . Not over priced , nice piece of wood too.
I will bed it , action job and cross bolts if deemed necessary by the smith.

There was another post about putting 4 Rigby's in the magazine and having trouble working the bolt. Have you had any trouble? Thanks,

I took mine apart and found a large lug on the barrel mid way up the forarm. It butts up to a peice of steel recessed into the forarm with 2 lugs ,1 on each end dropping into 2 slots milled into the wood, similar to the recoil lug just in front of the magazine. There is also a screw in the forarm that fits in to a dove-tail sliding nut in the barrel lug. That sounds confusing . sorry. there are 3 recoil lugs in the stock.

I can put four down and cycle the action to load the top fourth round into the breech.

Cole,

How else is the American different from the humpback? I haven't disassembled mine yet. Three lugs now, that very interesting. Any other observations would be greatly appreciated.

John

Hi John,

I finally located the post I was looking for :



Hart,

I have a CZ550 in 416 Rigby. I can "just" get 4 rounds into the magazine. Initially I was proud as punch.... 4+1 -- cool, then I did the "rapid cycle, empty your gun" drill.

Round #1 at the top of the magazine stack will feed "okay" but not nearly as heart warmingly smooth as magazine rounds #2, #3, and #4. There is a LOT of up pressure on that first round due to the tightly compressed spring with 4 down. Needing a fast second shot with a bolt rifle is enough to make you wish for a double anyway and the last thing you need is the first round coming up out of the magazine being a little quirky. At least to date on my rifle, I wouldn't go into a life threatening situation with 4 down; whereas 3 down feeds like glass. I would encourage you to test the "rapid cycle" with your individual rifle to determine if what is a good configuration for you.

At a minimum, being able to put 4 down DOES make it nice to accomplish the "1 in the chamber and 3 down" insofar as you can put four down initially and then immediately cycle the top one into the action and then have 3 glass smooth ones in the magazine WITHOUT having to load part or all of the 3 in the magazine through the floor plate.

I know it is a "little thing" but could turn into a "big thing" if you don't know just how your specific rifle will handle this "wild card" extra magazine round. Perhaps with a little tinkering the "1st of 4 down" feeding can be improved to match 2,3 & 4, but until then I plan to follow "manufacturer's specifications" for any serious situations.

Good Luck and Good Hunting,
EKM


My question is can you put 4 down and 1 in the chamber with smooth cycling? Thanks for humoring me, Russ

Thanks , I did find the same thread myself, just go get the CZ 550 in 416 and shoot it, preferably at something large and snorting

My CZ 9.3 has 2 crossbolts in the stock, the 416 none.

I just replied to the other thread. My 416 will take 4 down and one in the chamber and eject and feed them all with ease.

Do you use the "snap the extractor" method to load the fifth in the pipe? or is it five in the box and cycle the action?

Hart,

Not that it is impossible but there was no way to get 4 in the mag when I had one. Not even close.

Have you done something beyond than that as supplied by CZ?

John, I used the "snap the extractor" method till today. I just received some new Norma brass today and tried them in the chamber, hmm, the extractor sure doesn't want to snap over very easy. Miked the rim and found that they were about .006" bigger than the Bell brass that I had been using.

Will,with the Bell brass that I had been using, 4 fit into the mag easily. I then tried 4 fired unsized cases in the magazine. That sure took up all the slack. Could still close the bolt over them but sure could feel the drag of the cartridge under the bolt. I then tried 4 new Norma brass. There was a little less room left than with the Bell brass (new, never fired). Could close the bolt over 4 rounds easily, but could feel a slight bit more friction between the top cartridge and the bolt. I have not tried resized cases yet, as I do not have any dies yet. If full length sizing does not reduce the brass back to close to unfired size things could get a little snug with 4 rounds in the mag.
The rifle was used when I bought it so do not know for sure if any modifications were done. It looked brand new and does not look like anything was done to it. Got a box of loaded Bell cartridges with it. Five of the rounds were fired and I fired about 8 myself, pulled the bullets from the rest and saw that it was new never fired brass. I think that the fired five rounds were the only ones put through the gun when I bought it.
The rifle would feed flawlessly, but occasionally on ejection the case would fall back into the action on top of the magazine. It appears that the case will sometimes strike the forward edge of the rear bridge and fall back into the action. May have to remove a little metal from this spot.

Hart

Thanks for the feedback, very interesting about the difference in the two brass manufacturers, I've only used Norma for the 416.

I have been told the new American stock has about 5 lbs too much wood left on it and is not very sleek and trim, typical of factories????????.

I tend to like a little bigger stock to hold on to, weight doesn't concern me either, I guess it's like everything else- personal preference. If it shots well, drops em dead in their tracks and is priced right, well sign me up.

Ray---the stock is very thick in the magazine area. Could also work as a back-up club!

How do the stock dimensions compare to the Ruger SM?

It has got me buggred why my 9.3 lux cz came with dual cross bolts and a normal styled barrel lug as well as the usual action lug yet my safari magnums come with a crossbolt that looks to me to be in the wrong spot and weird style of barrel lug rather than a simple block of metal

The stock is 2.190 " wide in the magazine area. There are no crossbolts. I added my own barrel band.

I have not ? by the by is yours the new mod. ? out this year

this is what mine looks like does yours ?



Pottsy

Actually thats a good place for a barrel lug, just not traditional and takes some getting used to...but I would add two more the 458 Lott...

One thing I can guarentee you, CZ is a bunch of bean counters and they have no clue, will not take good advise and in general pretty much nut cases...A perfect example is the new laminated stock on the 458 Lott, it has all the colors of a rainbow, plumb guady, plumb comical...after all tradition is great in Africa and subdued rifles draw praise in big bores...In my opine.

If I wanted a lamintated stock for a CZ, I would definatly look to Brockmons drop in, it is very well designed indeed, after all it came off my Mauser stock pattern I think...

Mine is the new straight stock, made in the U.S. My CZ 9.3 is like yours. My CZ 6.5 and 22mag have straight stocks, all stocked in Europe.