I am planning plains game next May, Kudu, Nyala,Zebra etc. Maybe Eland. Any experience with this bullet on game, I know some will say not on Eland but what about the 700 lbs and down game?

If I ever got to hunt Africa and was to use my .416 for plains game I would opt for the 340 gr woodleigh protected point. That is a bullet worth checking out for your uses I reckon, it will be a little tougher than the speer. I currently use woodliegh 410 gr loaded to 2600 fps. They shoot reasonably flat to aproximately 10-11" low at 300 yards if one sights in about 2" high at 100 yards for a 200 yard zero.

Kevin

I have used the 350 gr. 416 bullets in Africa for animals up to zebra. They worked great. Infact I have never recovered a 350 from any game animal. I normaly only use 410 gr woodleigh, but when I an done hunting the big stuff I switch to the 350's.

I figure it this way. A 375 HH pushing a 300gr slug at 2500 - 2600 fps will kill anything needing killing in Africa. A 416 pushing a 350gr slug at 2500 - 2600fps will kill anything needing killing better.

Peter

I used three of these from my .416 Remington Magnum on my last black bear in Manitoba. A friend remarked on the very nice "auto-gutting" feature. I'm moving them along at 2700 FPS with 93.0 grains of BL-C(2). They'll kill whatever needs killing.

Oh... and the first one killed the bear. I just enjoy shooting. Teddy Roosevelt felt the same way, too. Bully.

Russ

DPM do your 410 gr woodleigh's shoot to the same impact as your 350's how much diff is there??

PC

Yes the 350s do have the same POI as the 410s. I had to play around a little to find the right powder charge. I don't push the 350s fast I use 95 grains of H4831 and the speer 350 hotcore. I have no idea how fast its going but it knocks the game down and is very plesant to shoot.

DPM,
Good to know. I will load up the Speer 350 grainers as you have described and get in some shooting. Or maybe load them a little faster and go for a load that shoots 2.5 to 3 inches higher at 100 yards than the 400 grainers.

Did those Speer 350's pass through a Zebra? Must be O.K. bullets.

I can't wait till someone eventually tries the woodleigh 340 gr protected points. No point me reporting back to you all as I will be shooting stuff that a rotton bannana could kill

DaggaRon

Yes the 350s did shoot through both shoulders of my zebra. Even my PH was suprized. I don't think that I mentioned that I am using a 416 Rigby. I don't think that H4831 is used on the 416 Rem.

Russel:

According to the Speer Manual the max load is 87 gr with BL-C(2)and the Speer 350 gr bullet...

Is your load not too hot, being 5 grains over max?

Antonio

DPM,
I was thinking 416 Rigby.

Antonio,
Maybe Russ is just trying to stir up some attention/trouble again with that 5 grains over Speer manual max load? You know, "We're from The Government, and we're here to help ..." You know that line?

Gentlemen
In the past I have used several 350 gr bullets in the .416 Hoffman. I did not use the speer brand I stuck with the solid base TBB, Swift and Barnes X. I have had clients use the 350 X on cape buffalo with excellant results. If I were going to hunt mostly plains game with a chance of eland
(there are as heavy as a buffalo) I might just go with the X bullet if your rifle will shoot them allright.
George

[/qb][/QUOTE]Go fuck yourself, you slime-sucking, piece-of-shit, asswipe motherfucker![/QB][/QUOTE]

Ouch!

George:

At what speeds do you load the 350 gr bullets, e.g. the Barnes X, in the 416 caliber?

I have read and heard that they work well on buffalo at 2,400 f/s.

What is your experience?

Thanks, Antonio

Russ,
You are so easy.

You are like the neighbor's cat that used to hide surprises in my kids' sandbox.

You really ought not to tread so close on the heels of the likes of George Hoffman's post with such weak minded stuff. Have a little respect and post a little further down wind before you let loose those potty fingers.

Antonio,
Looking back in some old records, I find that 85.0 grains of RL 15, gave 2556 fps with the 350 gr Swift bullet and 2496 fps with the 350 X bullet
Each firle is an law unto itself so your vel. may be a little different. This was taken in a 24" barrel.
good luck
George

[ 07-27-2002, 18:27: Message edited by: George Hoffman ]

So true, George, each rifle a law unto itself!

My 416 Rigby loads can easily be duplicated by the 416 Hoffman/Remington/Barnes Supreme.

I took these two Rigby loads to Botswana, to cover all game:

350 grain Barnes X at 2500 fps: POI 2" high at 100 yards.

380 grain GSC FN at 2500 fps: POI zeroed at 100 yards with same sight/scope settings.

Both loads were achieved with the same charge: 105 grains of H4831.

Nice combo for a heavy and light load with outstanding accuracy and useful POI's.

I have used the 350 grain X at 2700 fps in the Rigby also, to take water buffalo at 150 yards and 50 yards, as well as deer at 342 yards.

The 380 GSC FN was a one shot cape buffalo killer at 75 yards.

If I couldn't get the FN's I would go for the Speer AGS 400 grainer.

I do have some GSC HV 330 grainers that look like they were designed for long shots in the 416 Rigby, but I just haven't tried them yet.

Now, hopefully I have got this little buffer zone in before Russ posted more wordie durds next to George Hoffman's post.

Thanks George...

Antonio

Russ,
You are distorting things a bit for your purposes. I was only agreeing with Antonio's factual statement regarding your load as compared to the Speer Manual. That is not a lie. Are you having trouble with reality testing? Did you forget your medicine again today?

However, I did proceed then to yank your chain and succeeded, obviously. You are too easy, and should learn a little self control.

And another thing, why continually expose the name of John Wayne in association with your sociopathic posts? John Wayne did not say that anyway, it was fiction, acting, dramatic effect, eh?

First you want to urinate on Bill Ruger's grave, and now you are defecating on The Duke.

Troll Bullshit - Deleted

[ 12-01-2002, 06:57: Message edited by: 500 AHR ]

Todd,
It is an honor to be despised by the likes of you. You are making some incongruent remarks about apples and oranges with your IMR 3031 in the 416 Rigby. That would be an O.K. powder if used at the right charge with filler in the 416 Rigby. Not ideal, but O.K.

If Russ wants to know what a liar is, for his reality check, you are the perfect example. Hard to believe you are back, but with you, we really don't know who is actually posting do we? You boys are getting really tedious. Pathetic sociopaths. I better get on to more important things. Now that I have brought you two together, have at it. Misery loves company, eh?

Oh yeah, I claim the honor of being first to rat out Todd E. I can smell a rat.

Todd E: Go fuck yourself.

DaggaRon: I don't mind you yanking my chain, as long as you don't mind me calling you a motherfucking asshole. Everytime you assail me in some manner, it gives me an excuse to post something about you being a MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLE, which is kind of nice.

Silly me. I thought this was a discussion about 350 grain .416 bullets. I didn't know it was a shit sling. Please excuse an old fool.

Phantom Duck,

"...Silly me. I thought this was a discussion about 350 grain .416 bullets. I didn't know it was a shit sling. Please excuse an old fool..."

I know eaxctly how you feel my friend.

Throwing insults on a public forum is rather degrading. But, as this is a "free speech" forum, those who wish to sink down to the gutter are welcome to it.

Troll Bullshit - Deleted

[ 12-01-2002, 06:58: Message edited by: 500 AHR ]

Yes,
I have entered the gutter with Russ and Todd. I apologize.

I have "assailed" Russ, as he says, because he has assailed common decency so often. He can dish it out, but he can't take it without resulting to low IQ profanity.

Any statements by Todd E do not deserve any consideration, as any member here who knows his history well knows. Whoever has been posting as "Todd E" lately needs to get his own user ID.

This petty stuff is really beneath common courtesy. I am truly sorry.

I will just tune out the offensive stuff henceforth. It is getting truly boring anyway.

None of the name callers gives his address I have noticed...Adds a modicum of bravery to some. I, being of Southern decent take exception to referrals to my mother or anyone elses..I'm not involved in this one, but I feel it has gone beyond an argument, and an apology or two are in order.

Why then don't we require everyone to give name, address and telephone number..then if they are brave enough to call each other such names the receiver of the name calling can have the option of paying them a visit...seems like a fair deal to me...and we don't have to censure them...

We should all adhere to the primciple that we will not call anyone anything on this board that we are not willing to own up to in person.

If anyone called me that to my face, his life would be in jeopardy I promise you that. It is uncalled for.

I provide a town, state, and name. I don't provide anything more than that here nor anywhere else.

I didn't go out of my way to start trouble, I posted a viable load. Some asshole had to go out of HIS way to make a point of saying I was trying to start something, that the load I posted was pulled out of the air, et cetera. I don't lie. I cited the reference from whence I quoted my load. It didn't call for any smart-ass remarks on his part before nor after. I won't back down. Meaning no disrespect to anyone's mother, but if we're going to start picking apart profane words we'll be here all night. The individual in question went out of his way to goad me and he succeeded. No one took exception to his initial challenging comments, and that's fine, I don't expect that from anyone here nor anywhere else. However, the manner of the response is the choice of the challenged by the rules of dueling, and I clearly was the one challenged. I therefore do not have to be nice, restrained, nor anything else in my response. Again, if he'd kept his mouth shut, speaking in literary terms, this would have been avoided and could have been kept to 350-grain loads with the .416 Remington Magnum, a favorite cartridge of mine. I don't respond, however, with polite behavior when I'm not afforded any myself.

As for taking this off-board, it was the asshole's choice to take his initial comments public. My private message feature works just fine on this website and is available for "personal attacks" should someone feel obliged. When addressed in public, however, I will respond in public.

Lastly, as I've stated numerous times here and elsewhere, I'm the only Russell E. Taylor in my town and I'm easy to find if you get directions from the cop shop or the post office.

Now, we can get back to loads, more discussion of ill-conceived behavior, or let the thread die. I personally don't care which.

Russ

[ 07-29-2002, 07:23: Message edited by: Russell E. Taylor ]

Well, I gotta admit you always know where you stand with Russ and Dagga, and that is a good character trait. They don't lend to political correctness and I like that...I think I could get along with either of them in person...

Russ,
I owe you a personal apology. I did not even bother to look up the load data and pressure testing given in the Hodgdon manual, before starting the thread down its mean spirited path. I now see the error of my ways. I don't usually use ball powders and was ignorant of your load possibilities.

My comments about your load data were totally unfounded, and merely "attention seeking" behavior on my part, that which I unwarrantedly accused you of. I just jumped on the comment by Antonio, for ulterior motives. Shameless, behavior on my part, playing off the emotion that lingered from the inflamatory Bill Ruger posts that you have made. That doesn't bother me any more, as Bill Ruger's legacy either needs no defense or deserves no defense. Take your pick.

I believe you have given some good data, here and elsewhere. You are a proven entity here, unlike Todd E, so you certainly don't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with the likes of Todd E.

Someone should have pointed out to Antonio that the Hodgdon manual shows that 87.0 grains of BL-(C)2 with the 350 grain Speer SP in Remington brass with Remington 9-1/2 primer gives only 44,700 CUP pressure.

Likewise, 84.0 grains gives only 40,600 CUP.

The SAAMI pressure allowable for the 416 Remington is 54,000 CUP.

If we do a linear extrapolation to your load, (93.0 grains) it is only 52,900 CUP. That is probably a very good estimate for the pressure of your load, because the 87.0 grain load is not a compressed charge with the 350 grain bullet, and I don't know why the Hodgdon manual stops at such a low charge and pressure with the BL-(C)2.

I apologize for yanking your chain on this load. It was totally stupid on my part. I should at least have had something of substance to say, or kept my "mouth" shut.

As for the language, well, I am not innocent of using the "low IQ" verbiage, and am no prude, but I prefer to throw it in for stupid, fun, or brain-dead activity. It doesn't serve well in argument.

But I have no legitimate gripe there either.

And what were my comments about your load? Stupid, fun, brain-dead.

My apologies again. We can certainly agree to be politically uncorrect, as Ray has pointed out.

[ 07-29-2002, 17:01: Message edited by: DaggaRon ]

Ray,
Thanks for meddling. Your comments struck like the "hammer of Thor" and jolted me into realizing my unfairness with Russ.

When I grow up I want to be just like you. I am already working on some bursitis in the right shoulder.

Just call me PU, for politically uncorrect.

Everyone can go and get fucked

Mike

Yep,
That is very appropriate, Mike. You first.

[ 07-29-2002, 17:05: Message edited by: DaggaRon ]