Just got my 95 back from the smith and all is a go with it to shoot, last year production and should stand up well to some improved loads, does any one have any?Even starting loads

Dave - you should be ok using 358 Winchester load data. The cases are very similar in capacity, with the 358 Win being slightly smaller. I would recommend IMR4895 or IMR4064 powders, as they should provide good to excellent case fill.

Try these
http://www.chuckhawks.com/35Win.htm

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http://www.chuckhawks.com/35Win.htm

My old 43rd edition of the Lyman Reloading Handbook shows the following data for jacketed bullets.

47.0 grains of 4320 gives a 200 grain bullet a MV of 2225 fps, and 52.0 grains of the same powder gives a MV of 2475 fps.
46.0 grains of IMR 4320 can drive a 220 grain bullet at a MV of 2150 fps, and 51.0 grains of 4320 can achieve a MV of 2395 fps.
45.0 grains of IMR 4320 can achieve a MV of 2045 fps with a 250 grain bullet, and 50.0 grains of 4320 can drive 250 grain bullets to a MV of 2295 fps, 100 fps faster than the Winchester factory load.

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jeffe

[ 11-05-2003, 18:57: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

Thanks jeff.

Judy I don't think that will work the 35 win is based on the 405 case

Dave - well you don't need to take my advise any longer, do you. See my post got ol' jeffeosso to dig up his old Lyman's reloading manual and give you the information you were looking for!

By the way, if you look at the loads jeffeosso posted and compare them to a 358 Win you will find them to be using the same powders. The only difference being that the max loads are probably a grain or two more for the 35 Winchester. I was just trying to provide some guidance for a reasonable starting point nothing more. I would still favor IMR4895.

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From the 47th edition of Lyman's Reload Manual
358 Winchester
200 gr Remington SP
Starting load - 47gr of IMR4320
Max load - 52.5 gr IMR 4320

Starting load - 46 gr of IMR4895
Max load - 51.5 gr of IMR 4895 (fastest load)

250 gr Remington SP
Starting load - 41 gr of IMR4320
Max load - 45.5 gr IMR4320

Starting load - 40gr of IMR4895
Max load - 44.5gr of IMR4895 (fastest load)

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Almost identical load data to jeffeosso's 35 Winchester data. Your 35 Winchester velocities and pressures will be slightly lower than the pressures and velocities achieved with these loads in the 358 Winchester. This is due to the slightly larger case of your 35 Winchester.

[ 11-06-2003, 17:02: Message edited by: Judy ]

Dave,
shoot me an email, with the powder/bullets you want to use, and ask me for my quickload results which you will NOT be using to make loads!!


read the ascribed quote to CHUCK HAWKS

I think what the troll meant to say is
"when loaded to their respective operating pressures, these round offer equilivant ballistics"

Btw
the 35 win has a capacity of 69 grains
the 358 win has a cap of 57 grains..

a twenty one percent difference (69-57)/57 ...

this is just about exactly the same difference between a 308 and 30-06 (56 and 68) or only 2 grains less than the diff in a 30-06 and a 300 winmag...

there goes the troll, picking a fight again

jeffe

[ 11-06-2003, 17:11: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

I am not 'picking a fight'. However, the case capacity of the 35 Win ain't 69 gr!

Here are the case capacities;
358 Win - 56 gr of water
35 Winchester - 64.4 gr of water
35 Whelen - 69.5 gr of water

I suggested the 358 Win because it is a smaller case loaded to a much higher pressure <60000 psi>. The 35 Win is loaded to 35000 psi. So using the 358 Win load data would provide a reasonably accurate set of loads for the 35 Win within the appropriate pressure envelope.

This FACT , is clearly illustrated by the load data from Lyman's 43rd edition, posted by jeffeosso, as compared to the load data from Lyman's 47th edition for the 358 Win. These sets of load data are practically identical!

Again, Dave looksy at what I have done. I have gotten your dead thread brought back to life! Not only back to life, but with useful information and jeffeosso offering to help you out with 'Quick Load'. Just remember that quick load will offer up a load at a higher than achieveable velocity for the operating pressure limit claimed!

judy judy judy,

Wrong again.

69 grains is correct for the 35 Winchester.

70.5 grains for the 35 whelen.

57 grains for the 358 winchester.

These are all H2o.

Where do you get your data from a ouija board???

Dave James,

Try 47 grains RL-15, as a max load with 250 grain bullet, should yeild around 2200 FPS. Drop 8%, or 4 grains and work up. Given the case size I would try Fed 215 primers as well. The burn rate for RL-15 and IMR 4320 are nearly identical (as well as Norma 203B and AA2230).

If your have load data for one, you can use the same data for the other, but always start low and work up. They all top out within a grain or so of each other. Cannot get yourself in real trouble. Actually the max allowable pressure is 44000 PSI.

Be very carefull of anything Ms. Judy says. She is a renowned BS artist of the first order. The only thing she ever reloaded, is the batter machine at the Waffle House.

Bob

[ 11-06-2003, 18:37: Message edited by: Shadow ]

Shadow - I am not sure who you are, but you data is strange to say the least. I can believe the 358 Win and the 35 Whelen, as they are close to my numbers. However, I just measured two 35 Win cases and they are NOWHERE near your 69gr of water statement! My cases are both Winchester and measure 64.3 gr and 64.7 gr. You do realize that the 35 Winchester is MUCH shorter than the 405 Win, don't you?

I forgot that I wasn't supposed to speak to the JERK . Sorry about that. Anyway, some good appears to have come from it.

Judy judy judy,

Is that water or waffle batter capacities? What are your cases headstamped? Are they gross or net capacities? Are they with bullet or link sausage seated? If so what brand, Jimmy Dean, Brown and Serve et al.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Bob

[ 11-06-2003, 19:11: Message edited by: Shadow ]

much shorter

according to the troll's "slight" it's nearly exactly the same
2.413
2.580

less than 7% difference...
the 405 has 78 grains
the 35w has 67 grains....

har har... it IS todd....

jeffe

Shadow - the case capacities are 'gross' capacities and they are measured using tap water!

Maybe I will measure some filled up with waffle batter to see what the difference would be.

Shadow, and anyone else interested in case capacities measured in waffle batter, here are the results.

358 Win ~ 39 gr of waffle batter
35 Win ~ 45 gr of waffle batter
35 Whelen ~ 49 gr of waffle batter

I actually measured the cases filled with waffle batter <that included two actual 35 Win cases>. It is FAR more difficult than using water, and messier too!!! Those numbers are close.