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I have shot several diffrent model 458 win mags and found the recoil not that bad.I just got a ruger #1 in 458 lott and found the recoil painful even when shot offhand.Rugers recoil pad is hard rubber. Am i the only one that finds the 458 lott to be painful when shot offhand.It feels like Mike Tyson punched me in the shoulder.  | ||
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rebrick99, The Ruger No. 1 is well-known as a punisher in the harder-kicking calibers. Try shooting one of your .458 Win Mag cartridges in the No. 1, and note the difference in recoil from your other rifles. In a properly stocked rifle of appropriate weight the .458 Lott recoil is manageable. I will not say it is fun, though.  jim dodd | |||
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Main problem is- Ruger does not use much more than a slab of tire for their recoil pads. Take the pad off and throw it out. While you have it off, you can also install a mercury tube in the stock. That helps balance the gun better, and does alot to eat up recoil. Put a Decelerator or Kick-eeze pad on it (1" thick), and you'll be good to go. I have a #1 in 470 NE (conversion of a 458). I shoot 500 grain bullets at 2300 fps, and the recoil is not that bad, even off the bench. | |||
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You guys are masochist, your sick, the 458 lott at 2300 with a 500 gr. bullets just kicks like hell in any rifle, thats all there is too it, you either accept it or you don't...A pad only gives it a running start at the shoulder..Only on the internet does the recoil of big bores come across as a maidens caress!  | |||
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Ray, The 458 Lott isn't that bad. The trick is that first you need to sqeeze off a few from a 500 Jeffery or 585 Nyati, then the 458 Lott is a pussycat!  It is all about relativity. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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i shoot cast, with ex. accuracy, save jacketed, for serious stuff. a good shoulder pad is a good idea, specially off the bench. after 80 rounds or so. | |||
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Rugerlott, what cast loads are you using? We tried various cast loads in my #1 Lott but they don't group very well. | |||
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Redbrick99, The first time I shot my #1 458 Lott it was bone stock. Factory "pad", iron sights and factory Hornady 500s. I have a couple of 416 Rigbys and there was a big difference in recoil with the Lott. With that crappy pad and relatively light weight you indeed take a hit. For a quick fix I tried a slip on (over the buttstock) pad and added a Leupold 1.5-5. I then loaded up some fairly warm loads with Barnes 450x's. MUCH better. It is still no fun off the bench but the recoil is like my 416 Rigby with stout 400 gr loads. Off hand (or off fence posts, etc) the recoil is not bad. In one afternoon of ground squirrel action I shot a couple dozen rounds no problem. The pad is a big help but the weight of the scope and the 450 grain loads really tames it down a notch. According to a recoil calculator the recoil of the stock rifle with factory 500s is about 80lbs. With the scope and 450s the recoil is mid 60s just like my Rigbys. A very noticeable reduction that makes the Lott much more shootable IMO. Now I am going to load down the 450s to about 2100 fps for practice and plinking and it will be a sweetheart  John | |||
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Quote: Add some mercury recoil reducers to the butt. | |||
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Always telling it like it is. This forum is sick, but man what fun. I'm still a novice at this, and if someone offered me a shot with a canon I'd take it, just to see what it's like. When it comes time to buy "the big one" it will be a 416Rem. Sound reasonable? | |||
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"the big one" it will be a 416Rem These days the 460 Wby is perhaps, maybe, doubtful.....entry level...first rung on the ladder. 416 Reminton in no way qualifies for "the big one" Mike | |||
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I think entry level will become cz .505 gibbs rifles | |||
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Ruger #1s are a bit light & the pad definetly to hard. Go to a Pac. Dec. & add a bit of weight & it will be managable but like Ray said, they still kick the crap out of you. That's why I sold my very nice M70 & had a .404 built. Much more managable & a better all rounder for Africa than a ,458 IMO. | |||
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Quote: Hi Rebrick 99 I don't agree with Ray at all on the recoil pad comment. If you take your rifle and put on a Pachmayer F990 pad you will have a totally different handling rifle as far as recoil is concered. A 500 grain bullet at 2300 fps out of a 10.5 lb rifle with a straight stock like the Ruger and an F990 pad is very easy to shoot. If your rifle is front end heavy and you want to change the balance you can add weight in the stock while your changing the pad. Give this a try and post your findings after. Since we no longer have any gun shops in town I don't get too many chances to look at the new offerings by Ruger. The problem with them before when I bought my 416 Rigby is that they made the same butt stock design whether the rifle was a 270 or a 416 Rigby which left the recoil surface area very minimal for a 416 Rigby. Take good care, Dave | |||
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If the following recommendation does not cut your felt recoil by 50%, post again here and call be an a**hole, and I will agree, in writing Cut a 7.5 by 4.5 by 1 inch square of neoprene and Velcro to the inside of a T-shirt so that it passes under the sleeve seam to cover 2/3rds of your shoulder and presents the 7.5 inch axis parralel to the ground. You can cut at least 4 of these from the pads they sell for kneeling in the garden or sitting while hunting (Gander Mountain). the T-shirt needs to be tight, so get a size too small. When you start using it, take your time shen you shoulder that beast and make sure the butt is centered on the neoprene pad. Once you are convinced the it works, put a slimmer pad on your rifle to make the length of pull more comfortable. This works because of the compression characteristics of neoprene and the fact that it allows the rifle to decelerate over a longer distance while spreading the shock over 4 times the area of the butt of the rifle. The butt is driving into the neoprene but the neoprene does not drive into your shoulder. Adjust your eye relief if necessary BEFORE you take that first shot! If your cheek is on the stock, pad that too just to cut vibration and you are done. If you are skeptical, before you cut the pad, place the full pad on your thigh in a seated position and try to punch it hard enough to create pain. Then do the same thing with the best recoil pad you can find  | |||
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Mike, I was waiting for someone to take that bait. I'm surprised there wasn't more reaction. Of course on this forum the 416Rem is just a plinker. But at this point it's the biggest rifle I'll ever own and shoot seriously. That's not to say that if I won the lottery I'd not look at a big double, but in my current situation a 416Rem is the upper limit. And I'll always keep an eye out for the true whackos with the real big stuff so that I might have a little taste. | |||
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Maybe I should explain my feelings on pads, nothing hurts my shoulder, recoil bothers my cheek, and gives me headaches, snaps my neck, and bounces my brain around in my skull, like a hit from Mike Tyson.... To me the 458 Lott in the many rifles I have used and shot it in, gave a fast snappy recoil, much more punishing than some larger calibers..As I recall D'Arcy Echols also felt this way about the Lott, at least I think it was D'Arcy that I was talking to at Dallas... But I find bores over 40 to be a little grim, and that does not mean that I cannot shoot them, I can and I do, but I don't relish anything that hits me and I can't hit back, it ticks me off... I have made a concession for my .470 N.E. double, but I find myself loading it down to 2020 FPS and thats plenty for the stuff I shoot...A lot of difference in recoil than my 2245 FPS load, a whole bunch different...I keep about 6 of those fast ones in my cartridge belt just in case I feel the need. If shooting the heavy hitters suits you, then by all means enjoy... | |||
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I feel the Rigby Kicks more and maybe thats due to the large charges of slower burning powders ?? | |||
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Rebrick99, sent you a private message it is found on my home page when you log on.. Mike | |||
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Gave me a chuckle Ray  . Guess I'm biting the bullet too and going bigger too. I guess it serves me right for buying a wimpy 375 H&H to start with, I should've known better. A friend at work pointed out that Reba had a 375 in the movie Tremors, so he's always asking how my ladies gun is lol. This board is fun as always, Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Howdy, I recently sold my 458 Lott mainly due to the recoil exceeding my capability. I really minded it. I've shot my 416 Rem Mag many times and hunted Cape buff with it one time - I can handle that recoil without a lot of problems. Same way with the 375 HH. If anyone is looking for a good deal on 458 Lott brass, some loaded shells and bullets and Hornady dies let me know. Adios Sport | |||
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A bolt rifle chambered for this cartridge belongs in hands of prohunter. Single shot in this caliber is next to useless unless you have second one handy. My limit is .416 RemiMag starting out at 2200fps from 10 lb rig. I'm a sensitive fellow. | |||
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I'm going to try and shoot a 458 Lott before I do anything to my 375 H&H. Using the recoil calculator on handloads.com http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp A 416 Rigby shooting a 400g bullet at 2400 fps using 100g of powder in a 10.5 lb rifle (total weight) generates almost the exact same recoil and recoil velocity as a 500g .475 cal bullet at 2150 fps using 85g powder from a 470 Capstick. If I can handle the Lott which has 50% more recoil than the 416 Rigby, then a 470 NE load in the Capstick should be no sweat. So now who has a 458 Lott in Colorado Springs that wants to go shooting in Aug? Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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The largest drop in recoil will come when you do the most logical thing, reduce the velocity. You will never need 2300fps to kill everything on the planet. Cut the velocity down to 2100fps that is 200fps lower, with a good 500 grain solid it will travel the length of buffalo, it will traverse the largest bull elephants skull, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED! It is an historical objective fact that a 45 caliber 500 grain bullet traveling at this velocity is deadly. It will also lower chamber pressures, and you will be a better shot with this load decreasing recoil velocity. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Man, this thread is four years old almost to the day! I'm seriously considering putting on my Reynolds Wrap Anti Time Warp headgear now  I am now officially scared  John There are those that do, those that dream, and those that only read about it and then post their "expertise" on AR! | |||
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A CZ 458Lott at 2200fps is quite nice to shoot and I have know doubt this vellocity is great for Big game and with the low pressure its just the ticket . | |||
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That would be my fault JKS, I searched for an answer and still had a few questions so I resurrected it.  Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I didn't even notice. The .458's are timeless. | |||
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Funny, just the other night I read the book from Terry Wieland, Rifles for Dangerous Game. The writer states that the Lott is most versatile, because you can play with powder charges and bullet weights a lot(t). He cannot even imagine why anyone would opt for a .416, if you can shoot the Lott with 350 grains bullets and noticably less pressure signs. Do you guys have the same experience when it comes to that versatility of the Lott ? How come that the lower calibres like, 404, 416 etc, are more popular and that the Lott has not been discovered jet as a versatile calibre ? | |||
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I have the CZ 550 American Safari 458 Lott and that rifle pushes rather then kick when shooting it with a 500gr bullet. | |||
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That's what my experience is also. I have a Ruger RSM in .458 Lott and it feels to me that it's just a little but noticeable more pushy than my .375 H&H. My little Remington Model Seven in .308 Win slaps me silly after about 5 rounds, in comparison. After a box of Lotts I'm still game for more if it weren't too expensive to shoot. Namibiahunter  . | |||
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Ray, at least it don't bite yer EAR OFF...  " If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand which feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countryman " Samuel Adams, 1772 | |||
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I like my Lott a bunch better with 450 gr. bullets. The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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Howdy, For the 458 Lott folks - check this out- https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2711043/m/382100978 Adios Sport | |||
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I find the .458 Lott to be very comfortable, considering the amount of power that you are sending downrange. I own a # 1, and a CZ 550 in this caliber, and really can't tell much of a difference in recoil. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"-Carl Sagan | |||
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rebrick99, I have a 458 Lott in a Encore Pistol 16 inch including muzzle brake, it's not that bad at all the 416 remington barrel and the 470 Capstick barrels are worse (Yesboth Encore pistol barrels). Maybe a muzzle brake ? BTH | |||
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When is Kimber going to come out with their Caprivi in .458 Lott? Also, will it be ready to shoot or will it need bedding and crossbolts? Anyone know? Need a backup for ele. | |||
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How do you feel about spending 3k for a rifle not worth pence over $1800? | |||
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