Ben589,

A 416 Rigby chambered Marlin 336 would make a nice little walking varminter to go with that 20 mm Lahti Marlin 336 for the DG.

ASS_CLOWN

Yeah, the folks around here would think I'd really lost it then if I showed that pair to 'em as my deer rifle and my squirrel gun.

Folks used to rag me bad enough when I wanted a 50 BMG ... with stuff like "man, what the **** do you need with that?"

I'd tell 'em it was because I was tired of always losing my brass down at the range.

Geesh, and here I was daydreaming about rechambering a Marlin 336 in .416 Rigby and then I get to this thread ...

Makes my own daydream look pretty humble.

The Barrett XM-109 and the 25x29 Spin Stabilized Grenade are spin offs from the Objective Crew Served Weapon (OCSW) program. Barrett made some relatively minor modifications to its existing platform to accommodate this larger round but testing revealed that the recoil level still exceeded the max limit set by the military. Interestingly, there is nothing new under the sun, as this round (albeit in 25mm) seems quite similar to the old 20mm x 72 RB Oerlikon SSG or the 30x86B Aden LV (almost identical to the 30x85B for the Mauser MK 213) **credit to Anthony Williams and his outstanding website http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/**

As to obtaining one of these in the US, the paperwork is no worse than for a suppressor or fully automatic weapon and not that big of a deal. I would venture a guess that this 25 mm variant cannot be purchased in the civilian market even as a DD due to its status as an implement of warfare (just like importation of Russian 13.7 ammo is not ^supposed^ to be feasible )

For the 50BMG, you can get them even easier, a number of companies now build "upper conversion" kits that mate to existing AR-15 lower receivers, and now the only paper work associated with purchasing a 50BMG rifle is a sales slip, provided you already own an AR-15.

Ya gotta love this country (that's why I moved here )

For big game, perhaps a little overbore ... nah, you can never have too much gun ... it would make field dressing a bull elephant quicker, one shot and just bring the tupperware

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Alf-Your right and it can be had in 14.5 x 114mm Russian or
20 x 83.5mm MG151 cartridge,We got some 14.5 cases and
named a whole bunch of wildcat cases the HBE series for those wanting bottlenecked cases with big shoulders, and some power in 50 cal
,550, 585, 620, 700, and 12 ga.Just got to find big berdan primers for them.You got any there in SA? Ed.

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Is that a 20mm Kurtz?

Yes Alf

It is the 20mm x 83,5mm
Very impresive "gun"

Cheers,

Andr�

Collins,

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But not Impossible!

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In reflecting on this I think it may well be impossible to legally own either of these rifles UNLESS one has the appropriate dealer's license. I know the Barrett wasn't around before 1986, and I doubt the South African shoulder artillery was around here in the USA, at least in civilian hands, before 1986 either.



I would rather have a Lahti anyway, if for no other reason than the nostalgia! (and you can legally own then thar 20mm rifles as they are C&R NFAs)



Andre,



Here is a pic I found off the web of a Lahti M39 (in case you did not know what one looked like)







They are auto loaders too, which makes them "cooler" than bolt rifles.



Some specs:

CHARACTERISTICS OF L-39 ANTI TANK RIFLE



Caliber: 20 mm

System of operation: Gas-action, semi-automatic

Overall length: 2 240 mm ( 88.2 in )

Barrel length: 1 300 mm ( 51.2 in )

Weight: 49.5 kg ( 109 lbs. )

Feed device: 10-round box magazine

Sights, Front: Blade

Sights, Rear: Tangent

Max ROF: 30 r.p.m.

Practical ROF: 15 r.p.m.

Muzzle velocity: 800 m/s ( 2624 f.p.s. )

Max (theoretical) range: 6.5 km

Bullet: 2300gr Tungsten Core AP

Muzzle Energy: 35,130 lb-ft (that is more energy than either he 14.5X114 Soviet ort he 20 mm SA round)

Momentum Density: 21,114.4 lbm/in-sec



My wife told me I could not have one (she said it wasn't practical and also said no one would let me shoot it at their range. The latter is almost certainly true)



ASS_CLOWN

AC

Can I get that in a lever action American style.Can I rechamber a Marlin ?

Cheers,

Andr�

Andre,

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Can I get that in a lever action American style.Can I rechamber a Marlin

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In the USA we have a saying, "Where there is a will there is a way". I suspect with enough desire and MONEY you could at least get it in a lever action, I don't know about it being a "stock" Marlin though. I am sure that you could make an OVERSIZED Marlin lever action for that 20 mm Lahti though. Now wouldn't that be cool!

Didn't mean to come across at stealing your thread. I was just providing a little romantic nostolgia.

ASS_CLOWN