I am glad you have apologized to Alf, and I hope he can find it in himself to properly excuse you.

MacD37, since you address me with your comments:
Your analogy to a coin of the realm has double meaning for sure, I do believe. I just wonder if you are the thin razor between Alf and me, Todd and "them," or what? And that is not the double meaning to which I refer.

Hell, my father grew up in a log cabin in Kentucky with no running water nor electricity when they had such luxuries just down the road. I have endured much misery to get where I am, self made, as was my father (who was also an LEO, by the way) and I won't tolerate being accused of appreciating only "professional student" credentials with insinuations of any sort. Mac, we are all the same side of the same coin, so your analogy is wrong.

The whole purpose of this thread started by Todd E was enlightenment. To fully answer his question. Now that Todd E is fully satisfied, any further discussion is not necessary, I reckon.

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Originally posted by DaggaRon:

MacD37, since you address me with your comments:
Your analogy to a coin of the realm has double meaning for sure, I do believe. I just wonder if you are the thin razor between Alf and me, Todd and "them," or what? And that is not the double meaning to which I refer.

Hell, my father grew up in a log cabin in Kentucky with no running water nor electricity

I won't tolerate being accused of appreciating only "professional student" credentials with insinuations of any sort. Mac, we are all the same side of the same coin, so your analogy is wrong.

Now that Todd E is fully satisfied, any further discussion is not necessary, I reckon.

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I posted before but the post was lost in syber space someplace, so I'll try again!

First off, DaggaRon, pardon me all to hell,The fact is, I made a mistake and posted your name instead of Todd E,and ALF that's who the arguement was between! I have no idea what you mean by double meaning, I meant exactly what I said, but maybe I said it in a way it was not understood, for that I appoligize, but not for the meaning.

As far as being accused of appreciating only educated people, I think you need to re-read my post! What I was refering to is people putting a person down because he uses his education to supliment his lack of practical experience. You know, like the statement made in one of the posts to ALF,
"you need to quite reading books", and my example was to say a person should not be judged by his education, or lack there of.

Your father growing up in a cabin with no electricity, is no excuse for YOUR attitude toward others, be they educated, or not. That was his bag, not yours. You think I'm putting you down because you had to make yourself, and nothing could be farther from the truth. Like your father, "I" grew up on a ranch in the Hill country of Texas, and we didn't have electricity till I was 12 years old,I did my home work by karosene lamp, and no indoor plumbing even when the ranch was sold in 1989. We cooked, and heated with wood till they drilled a gas well on our place in 1949, and piped gas into the house, from the well head, And I did alright, so tell someone else your sad poverty story, it doesn't empress me!

The fact is the post was only to play Henry Kissinger, and stop an argument between two very knowledgable people,who both think their OPINIONS are fact, simply because they think so, and have a difference of opinion, both of which I respect, till the name calling, and put downs start. To that last statement I'll add your post. Being a LEO has one draw back, it makes one not used to people takeing issue with anything they say. They are used to talking, while everyone else is REQUIRED to listen, and comment only when given premission! The highly educated person, OTOH, will usually follow his book, even when presented with facts. This makes for a very one sided conversation! So, you are right, no further discussion is necessary!

Good day gentelmen, I don't think I've spent enough time away from this place. you guys carry on, and I'll See you on the other side.

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also DUGABOY1
DUGABOY DESIGNS
Collector/trader of fine double rifles, and African wildlife art

I hope we can get off this thread and go to another general thread to catalog the various bolting mechanisms and lock mechanisms of double rifles of any make, from black powder onward, for anyone interested.

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Some wise words. Unfortunately it would appear as though I have outlasted by welcome upon this forum. There are more and more attacks against me because my profile states I am a LEO. Obviously, an LEO is too stupid to possess any technical expertise. I am a LEO, but with a twist. The laws I am paid to enforce, you see, cannot be broken so the title was somewhat of a play on words.

RAB,

Interesting story about the log cabin in the hills of Kentucky without plumbing. I recall shortly after September 11 you saying that your father was in the military and you grew up all over the country i.e. a military brat. Now we are informed that he is in fact a "hill billy" living in a log cabin without the modern conveniences and a LEO to boot. He was a much nicer LEO than I also. Mac did make an excellent point regarding the make up of a LEO in that they do not take kindly to back talk! Neither to I. I am not used to be argued with in such ignorant and often stupid terms. I am somewhat of a scary animal since I am both well educated and very experienced in Mechanical Engineering. I have often played devil's advocate here with the stupid just for a good laugh. I have said some truly stupid things and these individuals have agreed with me, or worse argued! I have also had the true pleasure of enlightening many.

Oh well. I did start a new thread asking many good questions about the lock-ups used on SXS doubles. Hopefully someone will learn from it. I am sure that the correct answers will shock many of you.

One word of caution to many here. Beware of the published word in sales brochures (also know as catalogs). These publications often are misleading as there intention is to sell an item.

Todd E

Geez Todd, are you saying you are a Mechanical Engineer who is an LEO because he enforces the laws of nature? I thought only God did that!

Y'all be good now, ya hear?

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I meant no offense to your father. I certainly was not poking fun at "hill billies". Some of the most sincere and honest i.e. best friends I have are "hill billys". Actually, I have some cousins on my Mothers side from Arkansas. I was only confused by your statements about were and how you grew up. I still am. Since I am not aware of military housing in the hills so to speak.

I am not sure why you have it in for me. After all we are both doctors. We should be buddies. By the way, are you a card carrying member of the AMA. How does their stance on firearms set with you? They are not very hunting friendly either are they?

So there is no confusion I am a Mechanical Engineer. I grew up in the deep south and the Pacific Northwest. I have been to Europe, Africa, and all over North America. My enigneering experience is almost exclusively in the automotive sector. I am an engine and powertrain specialist. My title is Staff Project Engineer and I report to a Corporate VP. Hurray for me! A better statement would be: BIG F_ing DEAL! I have worked on everything from medium duty trucks to one of a kind race cars. Believe it or not the trucks are more interesting (strictly speaking from an engineering viewpoint).

The interesting part of this entire exercise was that when someone disagreed with physics they pointed out that I was a stupid LEO! However, when some "engineer" stated something that was obviously incorrect, but agreed with this individuals opinion this incorrect answer was applauded as truth. This has been for me an interesting study into human behavior. I believe this behavior provides proof to the statement that people will believe what they want to believe even if their belief is grossly mistaken.

Why don't you answer the questions on the new thread I started? I posted is as a going away present to all you guys. It has been fun and actually even enjoyable sometimes when I was able to actually help someone.

Alf,
I really would like to know if any of those old catalogs you have answer any of the questions I asked in that new thread. I promise I will not argue with you. I am only curious to hear the "sales pitch". Believe it not, I find "sales pitches" hilarious more often than not.

Todd E

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Originally posted by Todd E:500 AHR
Gentlemen,

I was talking with a business associate today about guns (screwing off). Turns out he owns a Searcy 500 NE boxlock action. The thing that impressed me was that this rifle does not have a third fastener! It is simply the the underbolts! This is a deluxe model by the way.

Some of you guys own Searcy rifles. I am curious, do your rifles have a third fastener?

Todd E

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