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Savage99, Just in case you don't think I know a CRF from a PF, here is a picture of the bolt from my 416 Rigby, which is a Ruger M77 MkII RSM Magnum made in 1992!  Pete I have been speaking, primarily to the Ruger M77 MkII Magnum aka RSM. The reason, well this is the title of the thread: Quote: The MAGNUM is a UNIQUE bolt and action! I have NEVER heard of a PF version of the MAGNUM, EVER! Of course I am an ASS_CLOWN and an obvious simpleton. ASS_CLOWN | ||
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Hey DJ, Send it up to Dennis Olson in Plains, MT. He'll whip it into shape. JCN I'm going to take four rifles (at least) over to him in the spring to tweak. | |||
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Bob, how would you rate the recoil difference betwen the 375 and the 416 ? I have tossed about a lot of ideas for a new gun this year. I considered building a 9.3x62 but the cost was so great and I had trouble finding a suitible base at a fair price so I finally gave up on that idea. I just can't get excited about a CZ. No special reason just personal choice. I'm now tossing the idea of a Ruger or a model 70 in 375. I have even considered a Ruger #1 in 375. It just seems like such a classic gun for the caliber. In fact it seems to me the #1 just begs to be built into a 300 H&H as well. I'm looking for a 1 battery gun, primarily plains game with the possability of buff. When I consider all of the troubles I hear about on the bolt actions the #1 doesn't seem like such a poor proposition in spite of being a SS. I wan't something big enough to be legal, get the job done but still be reasonably enjoyable to shoot. | |||
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I've got Model 70's in 375 and 416 Remington (as well as a Sako in 375). At the range I've let quite a few buddies shoot them. Almost always the comment on shooting the 375 is "Wow, that wasn't as bad as I thought", and they enjoy shooting it as long as I'll give them ammo. Out of 10-15 people that have tried my 416 Remington only 2 have shot it more than once...........DJ | |||
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Bob, I sincerely hope that you and Ray do get a good chuckle out of me, as I assure you that I have done likewise at both of you. Quote: Now there is truth in that quote. The truth is bared out on this very thread. Either I am what I have said I am on this thread, or I am what you quoted of me saying from another thread a couple weeks ago. I really don't care which you believe, afterall that is why I am an ASS_CLOWN, I don't necessarily play well with others (never have and I hope I never will!) I cannot stomach political correctness, aka TACT! I call 'em like I sees 'em. I seriously doubt you will notice any difference in "killing" power between your 375 and the 416, but then I am objective in these manners, many I feel are subjective (they need to justify that bigger rifle, which ain't much bigger really). Finally, let's just say I have shot a few critters with the 416 Rigby and I wasn't impressed! (damn thing won't stop a charging wild field mouse ).JCN, You hater of fine wood, I bet you wear scent blocker clothing too, and find wild turkey to be highly intelligent! Speaking of Wild Turkey, I must now leave this poor abused thread, as the master calls. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Bob, As always thanx for the help. DG is a remote possability for me simply because my wife hunts so everything always costs at least double. I have no complaints about that at all, in fact I wouldn't have it any other way. The #1 just seems like a inexpensive way to get started in big bores. I did notice that the #1 in SS has what Ruger calls a heavy barrel. This is the one I was looking at. If I get to hunt DG at all it will be a one time buff hunt.I have real concearns about getting a M77 or Model 70 that I'll need to put more $$$$ into. I'd rather start with the #1 I guess and save for at least a Model 70 from the custom shop. Having said that I personally have always had great luck with Rugers so I'm still on the fence. | |||
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Quote: ChuckWagon, Well, as we all know, felt recoil is subjective depending upon the shooter. And, stock design, rifle weight, etc. are all factors. One gun's recoil can feel worse than another just based upon stock design, etc. With that said, here's my perceptions about the difference in recoil between a .375 H&H and a .416 Rigby. I have two .375 H&Hs. One is a Ruger M77 Magnum and the other is a Ruger No. 1. My .416 Rigby is also a Ruger M77 Magnum. I have found that the difference in recoil (at least for me ) is substantial between the two M77 Magnums. Going from a 300 gr bullet at 2500 fps (approx) up to a 400 gr bullet at 2400 fps (approx) is a noticeable difference. The .375 H&H is not bad but the .416 Rigby gives a real jolt. I also have a Merkel double rifle in .470 Nitro Express. It's a real kicker too! Compared to my .416 and .470, the .375 H&H is mild and very shootable. Now, some of the other posters on here will disagree with me and say that the .416 Rigby doesn't feel much worse than a .375 H&H. That's probably true for them. Different rifles, different shooters, etc. But for me, in the rifles I have, there is a noticeable difference in recoil going from the .375 up to the .416 level. I haven't worked as much with my Ruger No. 1 in .375 H&H as I have with my M77 Magnum in .375. The No. 1 does kick a little more as it weighs a little less than the M77. But, I do like my No. 1. It really doesn't kick all that bad. It's nowhere near as bad as the M77 in .416 Rigby. I'm not sure if I would use a No. 1 for dangerous game, but I bought mine thinking it would make a fine plains game rifle. It's shorter and lighter than my M77. I just haven't hunted with it. I hope I have been of some help with your question.... -Bob F. | |||
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Chuckwagon, If you really want to know what a 416 Rigby M77 MkII RSM kicks like let's go out one of these weekends to Pontiac Lake or Bald Mountain. You can fire off a few from mine and see first hand what the recoil feels like to you. Now I must get going before the Wild Turkey causes me to lose what meager typing/spelling capability I have. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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I don't own a .375 but I do own a Ruger .416 . I have to say, it has a stout recoil, but manageble. I just returned from Zim a few weeks ago and while there I had the opportunity to shoot my hunting buddy's .375 Win mod 70 supergrade. I perceived the recoil to be about 65% of the .416 Rigby. It was actually not much worse than my .338WM. The .375 is a very versatile caliber, a good all purpose gun. It will kill any animal that walks, with good bullet placement. That said, it is definately a notch down in hitting power from the .40+ cal crowd. The .375 has probably killed more large African animals than all of the other large calibers combined. I'm sure this is due in no small part to the ease with which most hunters learn to shoot the round accurately. If you feel you may be negatively affected by recoil, the .375 would be the better way to start. If you are not too bothered by recoil, the .416 offers a tangible increase in downrange clout. By the way, my friend's supergrade was a rather attractive rifle with nicely finished wood and metal, which functioned flawlessly...no tuning. I think this grade costs about $200 more than the standard grade. You should consider getting a copy of THE PERFECT SHOT by Kevin Robertson. This is one of those " must read " books for anyone considering an African safari. The book is famous for it's detailed shot placement photos. However I found that the latter chapters on caliber selection, bullet performance, and balistics were worth the price of book alone! What he gives you is not hyperbole, but actual field performance(he is not only a PH but also licensed veterinarian in Zimbabwe). You might find what he has to say, about caliber selection for buffalo hunting, very interesting! Hope my ramblings help a little. Be sure to let us know what you finally decide. Geronimo | |||
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Geronomo, Quote: Sorry old chap but unless your friend is shooting a pre'64 M70 there ain't no such thing, at least not new production. The Safari Express is considerably more than a $200 upgrade, more like $1500. Offer still stands for Chuckwagon, he can shoot the real thing and feel first shoulder what it is like. Honestly it ain't that bad! The 416 don't kick for cryin' out loud! Chuckwagon, If it isn't raining tomorrow afternoon I would be willing to meet you at Pontiac Lake and let you fire off the Rigby. Let me know. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Quote: Perhaps he meant Safari Express. http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=535&type_id=023&cat=001C 535023138 375 H&H Mag. MSRP$1,147 | |||
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Geronomo... Who is the publisher of "The Perfect shot" by Kevin Robertson ?? Thanks. | |||
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Safari Press, I believe. http://www.safaripress.com/1-57157-163-9.html Available through Cabelas. http://www.cabelas.com/products/Cpod0018805.jsp Here's a bookseller from the UK: http://www.tidelinebooks.co.uk/Africana%20and%20Big%20Game.htm Also available from Amazon: http://www.safaribwana.com/suppliers/suppages/books.htm | |||
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Thank you so much John. Quite a tresure chest that  | |||
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I bet he meant the Safari express. I saw on a website www.champlinarms.com that they offer a custom model 70 for a little over 3k. Its SS with real nice wood. I really like the looks of that. If you open their web site go to the listings in the gun vault and search by bolt actions. They have nice photos. They also have a real peach of a pre-'64 model 70 in 300 H&H for $1500. I think the Winchester Custom Shop also has two African models. One is $2500 ish and the other $4500 ish. The first is a far easier reach for me. Has any one heard bad things about the custom shop guns ? Didn't I recently hear that Ruger is coming back out with a Custom shop ? Geronimo, Thanx for the info. I'm going to order a copy with the link from Cabela's.  | |||
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Chuckwagon, If you want to I will meet you at Pontiac Lake Recreation Area's shooting range this afternoon, and you can shoot a 416 Rigby. Let me know soon. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Ass C, Your a counterfiet and everyone on this board knows that..You and Kerry would make a team!  | |||
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Ray, Quote: yes yes we know! The question I have is why won't any of these guys from my local area ever shoot with me? They ask what does this rifle kick like, I say come out and see, they don't respond, or get REAL busy REAL fast. That puzzles me, I am a simple, non-intelligent man though so I guess I puzzle easily. Just think about it, would a rocket scientist be known far and wide as "ASS_CLOWN"? Ray, the 416 still ain't any better than a 375 H&H and hardly better than a heavily loaded 300 Winnie. IMHO!!  I knows I shot many many wild field mice! Finally, you and BFaucett have a LONG HARD LAUGH AT MY EXPENSE, that is an ASS_CLOWN order! Chuckwagon, Missed you at the range! I didn't take the 416 out since you didn't reply, but I had a double and the 405 Winnie M1895 (which kicks pretty close to a 375 H&H as the Winnie is loaded with 367 gr bullets going ~ 2195 fps and weighs 8 pounds so you can do the math). ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Ray, Azz Clowns are exactly like politicians. You just have to learn to ignore them. ( HINT HINT ) I have enough feed back from members here I actually trust and believe have more than enough experience to help me. I have indeed decided on a 375 and now I just need to choose the gun. I will probably set on it a few more months or until spring because it seems to look like a better financial move to buy at least a used or custom shop gun Vs a Model 70 or R77 and start dropping more $$ to get it right. The exception to this seems to be the #1 which I find a very interesting prospect for the money. | |||
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Chuckwagon, You might have a tough time finding the M70 in .375H&H. Winchester doesn't have them to order and no distributers seem to have them right now. I know because I spent some time looking this summer before I bought my CZ. I just checked Winchester again, same story. I do know where there is a lefty M70 if that's what you need. | |||
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ChuckWagon, you have a PM Geronimo | |||
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No lefty's here. Not unless you count Lefty's Cony island up in Casseville ! Believe it or not I'm finding the same thing to be true with both the Ruger 77 and the Winny mod 70 in 375. No stock and back orders. I will likely wind up getting which ever I find first and like once I get my hands on it. I ran all over last week looking for a model 70. | |||
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Your loss buddy! Keep that ol' head of your's buried, well you know where you got it buried. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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My Rigby is one of those rifles that I can't decide if I'm going to trade or keep. Obviously if I keep it I'll have it tuned up but I just think that a new rifle whether it costs $400 or $1600 should at least function with factory ammo. One thing that makes me want to keep it is that I do really like the 1pc barrel with the 1/4 rib etc. it would cost $2500 up just to have a similar barrel made for a custom rifle. But I have a M-70 416 Remington that will feed empty's and shoots 400gr X bullets into 3/4" at 100yds so the "need" for a Rigby is debatable. I also think that the stock is way to "blocky". Some judicious woodworking would vastly improve it but I don't know if I want to spend time on it. I'll probably end up taking it to the Tulsa Wannemacher gun show and if I can trade it for something fun or interesting I will and if not over the winter spend some time fixing it's problems..........DJ | |||
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Chuck if you are in MI like AC implies I know where there is a nice one sitting. Let me know if you are interested. | |||
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fireman, I based my statements off of the following post from Chuckwagon on the "Fun Shooting" forum: Quote: It would appear that he is from the Detro Metro area, most likely North Central. It would further appear that he is in luck with regard to finding a M70 Classic Super Express in 375 H&H, eh. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Quote: Questor, The Ruger Express rifle that I have in 30-06 is a push feed bolt. The action is a Mark 11 otherwise. There was at least one other topic here on this in the past. One member did a good job milling off the bolt face on his and he says it feeds CRF now. The rifle I have is very pretty but there are some small downsides besides the CRF question. The express rib prevents using a 40 mm scope without very high mounts and the rib adds weight while I can't use the open sights anyway as the comb is too high. Mine is a pretty face. I am keeping it for now. As to the Express rifles I don't think the question was answered if they are CRF? Perhaps someone will confirm it. I did skim read all those posts. | |||
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A.C., Mine is not CRF. Thus you have answered the question wrong. Do a search. There are pictures of the bolt face showing it to be push feed. | |||
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Savage99, Mine is a CRF (manufactured '91 or '92). The website clearly states that the rifles are CRF. The 6 or 7 others that I have worked with over the years were ALL CRF including one of the old, '89 I think, rifles with the front sling stud going through the forearm. Question is now answered. Sorry about all the tangent posts earlier. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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