Cross L, yep, that explains it.
And a McMillan Edge stock and metal coating all over, and a piece of tape over the muzzle to keep snow and rain out between shots ...
It will be as weather resistant as any.
Even stainless gun steel rusts in salt spray.

Whilst the Alaskan may not have what some people think is required for an African look, the lighter weight will make this rifle really handy and it would be my choice over the Safari Express for a .375.

Thanks Cross L, I learn something here everyday.

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Originally posted by AFRICAN LEADWOOD:
Whilst the Alaskan may not have what some people think is required for an African look, the lighter weight will make this rifle really handy and it would be my choice over the Safari Express for a .375.

Ditto.

I have never had a use for a 375- H&H or otherwise--but this new Alaskan is getting my interest----

but that damn new trigger--

may have to man up and put up with it--

Nice Winchester, but so....

Do you want me to trade in a 375 Ruger and pitch 300 brass cases and dies to buy a new rifle to save a whole 2 ounces (that are probably offset by the type of scope I could mount) to get a new rifle in an old belted cartridge (I hate reloading belts) that, at best, delivers close velocities and sub-moa accuracy to what I am already getting from my 375 Ruger African?

I just don't think I want to do that, or go through the pain or expense of new load work up to get what I am already getting.

Barstooler

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Originally posted by Barstooler:
Nice Winchester, but so....

Do you want me to trade in a 375 Ruger and pitch 300 brass cases and dies to buy a new rifle to save a whole 2 ounces (that are probably offset by the type of scope I could mount) to get a new rifle in an old belted cartridge (I hate reloading belts) that, at best, delivers close velocities and sub-moa accuracy to what I am already getting from my 375 Ruger African?

I just don't think I want to do that, or go through the pain or expense of new load work up to get what I am already getting.

Barstooler

Not at all.
Whatever floats your boat.
Just interesting that the Winchester M70 Alaskan .375 H&H, though 2 inches longer in barrel, is also 2 ounces lighter in weight, than a Ruger Hawkeye African of .375 Ruger chambering.

But it would not be a bad idea to take one along as backup for your .375 Ruger.
If ammo is lost, it will be easier to bum some .375 H&H.

Everybody ought to take along a .375 H&H as backup for any safari, especially if using a relatively new factory chambering, an obscure standard chambering, or a wildcat.

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Originally posted by RIP:

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Originally posted by Ongwe:

... BTW, McMillan claims to already have this barrel contour programed and are ready to go.

Ah, yes, very good to know ... McMillan Edge ...
The rifle might be less than 7 pounds with that stock:



We created this ultralight hunting stock using the technology we developed for the very popular EDGE benchrest stock. It is a slim classic style and may be inletted for any right or left hand Remington 700 or Model 7 action in BDL or blind magazine configuration. The slender forend will accept up to a factory magnum barrel contour or custom barrel similar to a #3 Douglas or smaller. This all-graphite stock comes standard with aluminum pillars, a 1/2" Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad and two sling studs in any of our painted colors. The finished stock will weigh in at 22-24 ounces, depending on the action cutout. It is not available in molded-in camo or marble finishes in order to save weight. Though an ultralight, it is still guaranteed to handle the recoil of all magnum cartridges thru .300 Win Mag recoil level.Click for Details

Hunters Edge® / Winchester/Montana Rifle Company

By popular demand, we now offer the ultralight Hunters EDGE for Winchester 70 and Montana 1999 actions. It can be inletted for long or short, right or left-handed actions in most bottom metal configurations.

Only problem with this is that the Micky stock is only rated for recoil up to .300 WM.

I called Micky up a while back and they said the Edge needed a Magnum fill to handle the recoil - that would add at least 6-8 oz. to the stock weight.

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Originally posted by rnovi:

Only problem with this is that the Micky stock is only rated for recoil up to .300 WM.

I called Micky up a while back and they said the Edge needed a Magnum fill to handle the recoil - that would add at least 6-8 oz. to the stock weight.

Let us not be so timid as to abide by that.
I do not expect McMillan to warrantee my stock!
A Brown Precision "Pounder" 1-pound stock from about 1990 worked fine on my
6.75-pound bare-naked-dry-and-empty .375 H&H, for 20 years, and it is still going with a .395 H&H barrel now.
I am sure a McMillan Edge stock that might weigh near 1.5 pounds will last forever on a 7-pound .375 H&H or .375 Weatherby.

McMillan said the CZ/BRNO Express stock's barrel channel would fit only up to a No 5 sporter contour, but I have made it fit the equivalent of a No. 8,
and also much less daringly, a No. 6 on another rifle.

Pity the boringly dull need to adhere to a synthetic stock maker's recommendations for warranty purposes.

The Safari Express seems too heavy for me, not for shooting, this is pure Pleasure ... but for carrying all day long ...

The SE has the better Stock design, the trigger on mine was tuned from the factor ( yes, really, perfect! ) and there´s an additional barrel lug ( beded! ) under the rear sight.

Hermann

I like the Cabela's 50th Anniversary (1961-2011) Winchester Model 70 Super Grade Safari Rifle in .458 WinMag chambering. They have one more of them at the Louisville, KY Cabela's:

Super Grade Safari Rifle:



Safari Express:



Super Grade Safari Rifle vs. Safari Express:
Same barrel and action, just different screw-on rear sight, same front sight, and different location of banded sling stud.
Or is barrel a little fatter there with same band not sliding in as far?
Advertising says it is supposed to be a facsimile of the 1961 M70 barrel contour, stock and sights.

Stock is different from the SE (has grip cap, steel IIRC) and fits my fat face better and the slightly slimmer forearm and wrist feel better in my hands. Floorplate is gussied with gold Cabela's logo, which is not too annoying,
nor is the red rubber pad, and ebony forend tip.
Only 500 of these made for Cabela's?

1961 facsimile box, hang tag and owner's manual.













Both are advertised at 9.0 pounds in .458WinMag.
I will have to weigh one of the Super Grade Safari Rifles for myself, I did once live in Missouri.

1961 model would have been available the year before I became a gunnut, when I got my first kick from a 12G shotgun, when I fell head over heels for kicks.
Thanks for catching me and the gun, Pop!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RIP:
I like the Cabela's 50th Anniversary (1961-2011) Winchester Model 70 Super Grade Safari Rifle in .458 WinMag chambering. They have one more of them at the Louisville, KY Cabela's:

Safari Express:

Super Grade Safari Rifle vs. Safari Express:
Same barrel and action, just different screw-on rear sight, same front sight, and different location of banded sling stud.
Or is barrel a little fatter there with same band not sliding in as far?
Advertising says it is supposed to be a facsimile of the 1961 M70 barrel contour, stock and sights.

Stock is different from the SE (has grip cap, steel IIRC) and fits my fat face better and the slightly slimmer forearm and wrist feel better in my hands. Floorplate is gussied with gold Cabela's logo, which is not too annoying,
nor is the red rubber pad, and ebony forend tip.
Only 500 of these made for Cabela's? QUOTE]

You left out the most important difference $800! I almost bought the 50th Anniv. Cabela's which is certainly a nice rifle but you can get the Safari Express and still have enough left over for QD mounts, Rings and Scope with beer money to spare!!

Or you could buy a CZ 375 H&H, get a bullet proof trigger, a real Magnum Mauser with no coned breech for at least $500 less (and it comes with rings).

Must confess, I like my red pad No.1 375 H&H better than any bolt gun. Certainly is better looking !

Apparently Cabela's didn't want to sit on the 2011 edition remnant.
Cabela's most inflated price was $2199.99 but what is left of them are going for $1499.88 now, "HOT BUY"-tagged at Cabela's in Louisville, KY.
The Winchester website now lists the same rifle for $1929.00 "MSRP."

The "MSRP" for the standard Safari Express, at the Winchester website is $1419.99.

That is only $500 more for the Cabela's model.

Winchester website MSRP comparison of .458WinMags:

Cabela's Super Grade Safari Rifle: $1920.00
Safari Express: $1419.99
(Alaskan: $1269.99, .375 H&H only)

Guessing those prices are about 30% over wholesale prices of about:
$1477
$1092
($977 .375 H&H only)
respectively.

So the "HOT BUY" price for the Super Grade Safari Rifle is $1499.99. Only $23 dollars over guesstimated wholesale priceof $1477. Only a 1-1/2 % markup.
That is better than a whittakerguns.com deal.

And it is only $80 more than the MSRP for the standard Safari Express.

HOT BUY is right, when the time is right.

http://www.cabelas.com/product...CRR&WT.mc_id=crrdtfd

Cabela's 50th Anniversary Winchester® Model 70 Super Grade Safari Rifle

Classic pre-1964 controlled feed and extraction
Reproduction of original box, hang tag and owner’s manual
Cabela’s 50th Anniversary logo engraved on floorplate

To commemorate Cabela’s 50th Anniversary, we teamed with Winchester to develop a special-edition Super Grade Model 70 rifle as close to the original 1961 version as possible. This Model 70 is ready to make memories on the hunt of a lifetime. It’s chambered in the powerful .458 Winchester caliber and able to tackle any big game on the planet. Everything about the gun is pre-1964, including the contour of the 24" barrel and the controlled-round-feeding bolt action. We even reproduced the 1961 box, hang tag and owner’s manual. The Monte Carlo-style stock is constructed of Grade-III walnut with handsome checkering. The barrel has a matte-blued finish. A red Pachmayr® Decelerator recoil pad makes shooting this powerful rifle comfortable. Rifle is outfitted with a flip-over, 1960s-style express rear sight. The Cabela’s 50th Anniversary logo is engraved on the floorplate. Only 500 of these exceptional firearms will be produced, so don’t miss out on your chance to own one.

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Originally posted by 7x7royal:
Or you could buy a CZ 375 H&H, get a bullet proof trigger, a real Magnum Mauser with no coned breech for at least $500 less (and it comes with rings).

Must confess, I like my red pad No.1 375 H&H better than any bolt gun. Certainly is better looking !

Larry Root, is that you, aka 45-70 shooter, aka artshaw, aka etc., etc., etc. ... ?