There is a post on Huntamerica stating that A-Square is back.

http://www.huntamerica.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000694

The distributor of A-Square ammo is a company in Louisville, KY.

http://firearmservice.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/page3.html

May I add that a few of us have received soft brass from A-Square in the past (resulting in case sticking in my gun). I would want to be sure quality problems have been remedied and that there is a rock solid warranty before buying more product.

You ought to try to get them to replace your soft brass. It would be a good test of their commitment to IMPROVED customer service!

George

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Shoot straight, shoot often, but by all means, use enough gun!

Is it still Art Alphins company??

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Ray Atkinson

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It's not specifically stated, but the implication is strong (especially since the whole operation is 'hush hush'

George

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I wonder if he has settled with the guv'ment. There is no update on his website www.notyetbeguntofight.com.

Anyone catch the thinly veiled slam of A-Square rifles by Seyfried in the Sept. Rifle Magazine? The statement was something like: "The $2-4000 rifles that are basically Enfield actions in clunky stocks aren't worth $2-400."

Ouch!

How could you miss it? Or the veiled references to David Miller and Kenny Jarrett (at least I think that's who he was referring to).

George

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GeorgeS

What were the references to David Miller and Kenny Jerrett?

Jason

Seyfried is certainly no fan of A-Square. In another article he wrote that he wouldn't have anything to do with the company or their products.
I'm paraphrasing but I don't think he was even that polite about it.
Until someone proves different, I'll go along with him.
And if A-Square is back in business, why be hush-hush about the manufacturing?

Only trouble is, I'm no fan of Seyfield. He's knowledgeable enough, and when it comes to loading double rifles, pay attention to him. His opinions of the rest of the human race, however, indicate a poor quality upbringing, a shortage of manners and a unjustifiably high regard for himself. On technical stuff, he's a good source but otherwise, get confirmation from at least one other person, perferably a gentleman.

I have only the greatest respect for Ross Seyfried.

While noting the innuendo in the artcle, did you notice how self-deprecating he was about his creation, the 585 Nyati? He referred to it as a nightmare.

I live in Kentucky. Next chance I get I will go looking for the A-Square operation. I don't think it exists. Maybe I better look up the gunsmith who claims to have some inside information.

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Good huntin' and shootin',
RAB

[This message has been edited by R. A. Berry (edited 08-25-2001).]

Jason,
I'll quote a passage from the article:
"There are gun sellers out there who make plain-finish (not highly embellished) bolt-action rifles that cost well over $10,000. To me, it is simply impossible to justify the price. I do not care how good they pretend to be."
The only gunmaker I know of who sells plain finish rifles in this price range is David Miller.
There is another paragraph where he refers to Remington-action-and-synthetic-stock style rifles. "When they pass $4000, you should pass also. No matter how much exalted precision, claimed accuracy or other fine work is attached to them, they are still Remingron actions and synthetic stocks...If the maker is charging you a lot for sophisticated "load development," I would have to ask, "What is wrong with the rifle?" A good custom rifle should not need a lot of load fiddling to make it shoot."
I know Jarrett charges $4500 for his rifles; Arnold Arms can be included in this category.

If you think about it, he's spot on; there isn't a hunting rifle made worth $4500 (let alone $10k) based on its accuracy claims (reliability and "style" yes).

George

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I know Ross Seyfried, have sold him a gun or two...He is the ultimate gentleman in person and one of the most knowledgeable guncranks in the world today....

I never comented on A-Square while they were in business as I didn't want to starve his kids but inasmuch as he is kapute I will say that the cost of making a copy of his rifles would be about $700.00...They were a rather ridiculas abortion of rifle building IMO.

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Ray Atkinson

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Gosh, Ray, there you go playing your cards close to your vest again! ;-) My only contact with Alphin is owning his manual. I think he is probably right in that if you build a very heavy rifle with a stock that would be at home on a rail gun, recoil will be attenuated.
But beauty in these matters is always up to the beholder. Some may look at an A-Square Hannibal and see no more aesthetics than in a post-war East Berlin apartment building. Others may see a parallel with a Humvee: hell for stout and a serious tool for heavy work. But again, we are all different. For example, when I see a 1960s Weatherby with the inlays and gloss, I think of a pink cadillac convertible -- or pearl handled revolver grips. But then, I think all rifles have gotten uglier since Marlin quit making the Ballard!

Well said Bill.

Ray,

I have always liked Enfields but I have never built anything on one for two reasons.

1. Very few gunsmiths will work on an Enfield.

2. Those gunsmiths who will work on an Enfield charge a lot because Enfields are so hard to work on.

In light of the above, how much should the gunsmithing cost to make an Enfield into a biggie, like a 505 Gibbs?

Ray

Since we are on the topic and the last post is on the 505 I thought I would slip in this question. Do you have any contact info on Jim Brockman? Also thanks for the info I will keep it in mind
THANKS RNS

Just to follow up on the thoughts of Ross S., I have regularly gotten 0.5" groups out of Rem 700's straight out of the box. It has puzzled me why anyone would pay $4K for one that is supposedly more accurate.

I also agree with Ross. There is no way I would ever pay that much for a gone over M700. I really find it hard to jsutify more than $5500 - $6000 for a first class wood stock DGR for that matter.

Todd E

RNS,

Here ya go:

www.brockmansrifles.com./

Regards,

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"Those who appease a tiger do so in the hope that the tiger will eat them last."
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someone please tell me what kinda of trouble did A-Square get into with the Government????

Paleohunter,

Check the 'notyetbeguntofight' link above.

The facts according to Alphin are located there. It's too involved to summarize here.

George

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HOLMES

Thanks for the info I will go there and check them out. I think that Prairie Gun Works is going to be the way to go. 505/.510" hi pressure brass using 600gr Barnes X for hunting or military ball for practice feed from the magazine,It should be a monster. RNS

500 grs.

To make a top notch 505 Gibbs out of a Enfield action which is a fine action for the really big bores????

I would have charged $5500. to $6000. complete with 1/4 rib, BB swivels, front sight, with pop up ivory nite site. Exb.turkish walnut stock, leather covered recoil pad, mullered border checkering, Talley R&B's, hidden recoil reducer on the muzzle with false muzzle, slow rust blue. Iron sights regulated and sighted....and whatever else you wanted on it....that equates to $14.70 per hour wage for the folks that think thats highway robbery. I wonder how many would work for that...not me.

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
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At this point I do not understand why anyone would have anything to do with A-Square. When they were in business they were nothing but trouble. Constant reports of people not getting guns, orders not being filled, Alphin all but impossible to get a hold of. This was and is no way to run a business. If in fact they are back in business, what would be different? Alphins government problems are indeed unfortunate, however it is no excuse to run a business like crap. Bill T.

Well said, Bill T.

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Good huntin' and shootin',
RAB

Ditto Bill T, at the SCI show he was avoided by the real gun cranks. We have had more than one comment on this forum that they paid for and didn't receive something. I think one even said they sent a scope to be mounted that they never got back.

Steve

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