My buddy, the infamous Zambian, who has a bizarre pre-occupation w. work, wants a 458 Lott to leave in Zambia. (I've already tried to get him to buy a WF Hein w. a synthetic stock, but he started going on about he wants his rifles to be pretty, etc.)

Any suggestions? I'm thinking it's either going to be an RSM, or a custom CZ... any possibility of a pre-64 Winchester?

CZ...not even close. You can fit a synthetic stock and have it "combat tuned" and still be in it less than a Ruger, aka "the brick".

Rich
DRSS

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it's either going to be an RSM, or a custom CZ...

That covers it. Unless you can find something else in a used custom rifle.

Keith

My 458 CZ lott has a laminated stock witch is very pretty and under 2k

Buy a MRC SS barreled action for about $1k and spend another $450 for a nicely painted McMillan stock.

Aglifter

I bought a .416 Rigby a few months ago in the Ruger RSM, and loved it so much I went and bought 458 Lott Ruger RSM this morning both under 2k with plenty left over for reloading dies, brass, and scope etc. Good-Luck

Steve

Hello,
The man did say he wanted something "pretty," good looking, quality, strong, custom features, etc. and a ultra strong mfg. backing it up would be a real plus-Ruger RSM all the way and it will work just fine out of the box without any rebuilding of any sort.
For those who just can't resist "customizing" their firearms, the CZ is a real first class candidate and can be made into a fine sporting arm I am sure. Just not for me and seemingly many, many others after checking out the RSM. Good Luck.

I,too, believe the Ruger RSM a great rifle and a lot of bang for the the buck and within your price range(pun intended). Lou

Your buddy has described the Ruger RSM. The RSM is a "rock solid" rifle in every aspect. It is in essence, a semi-custom rifle with standard production pricing. The RSM is ready for service out-of-the box and retains it's value. They are handsome rifles from every angle with MOA accuracy and reliability. The RSM incorporates the best bolt action safety system.

You might want seach previous polls comparing the RSM and CZ550 for additional information.

I have a .458 Lott RSM. Great Rifle and looks good too. Accurate and smooth functioning. I have had no trouble getting off quick multiple shots on cape buffalo.

An interesting observation on the RSM is that most of the guys I know that bought a RSM went back and bought a second one. Some of the fellas have aquired all three chamberings; .458 Lott, .416 Rigby, and .375 H&H. It was my understanding that Ruger was going to offer a RSM .338 Lapua. I don't know the status of the .338 Lapua, but hope it's still going to happen.

theres one in Classifieds p5 asking $1450

RSM in my opine is the real deal....

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Originally posted by Hunter Formerly Known As Texas Hunter:
I have a .458 Lott RSM. Great Rifle and looks good too. Accurate and smooth functioning. I have had no trouble getting off quick multiple shots on cape buffalo.

Texas,what size groups do you get at 200yds?

Shootaway,

Are you out of pirated Star Track reruns?

shootaway,

The owners of the RSM's which I have knowledge have all told me their RSM's average Minute Of Angle (MOA) right out of the factory box at 100 yards. MOA is a fairly complicated computation which we generally round to 1-inch at 100 yards. Therefore, you could expect the factory RSM to deliver a 2-inch group at 200 yards.

Buliwyf,I've had rifles the were MOA at 100 but would not group within a foot at 200.To me,a hundred yard group means nothing.A 200 yd group is also a measure of bullet impact stability.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Buliwyf,I've had rifles the were MOA at 100 but would not group within a foot at 200.To me,a hundred yard group means nothing.A 200 yd group is also a measure of bullet impact stability.

I predict some very serious exterior ballistics expertise coming up on this thread.

shootaway,

You can accurately forecast bullet stability by matching rifle twist to bullet weight. If you want to test a bullet "going to sleep" then I recommend you shoot starting at 300 yards which will provide much better feedback then 200.

How about barrel roughness and fouling also throat and bore erosion effect on accuracy and bullet stability?

Shootaway,
You have just described a barrel which was poorly made to start with, poorly maintained during it's shooting life and/or shot suffecient amount to erode the throat. Perhaps all of the above.

You right handed shooters are so lucky!

I might still be pretty new around here...but who shoots at 300 yds w. a 458 Lott?

He's enjoyed shooting my 375 Ruger so far, so I'm trying to convince him to use that as an antelope rifle...

Aglifter,

My comment to shootaway suggesting 300 yards as a starting point to test bullet stabilization was made with traditional "longer" range cartridges in mind. With that said however, I have a friend who loads Barnes 300 grain bullets in a .458 Lott and pushes them to 2800 fps+ out of a Ruger No 1. He routinely shoots at and beyond 300 yards.

Aglifter,

PM sent,

JW

The RSM is a good deal but the Trigger Sucks! Get a good replacement from Brownells and Slick up the action. Maybe steelbed it a bit. Thats how I set mine up and its killed a whole lot of critters.-Rob

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Buliwyf,I've had rifles the were MOA at 100 but would not group within a foot at 200.To me,a hundred yard group means nothing.A 200 yd group is also a measure of bullet impact stability.

the laws of physics pretty much make this statement PURE BULLSHIT