OK:
I saw a .500 S&W hollow point today, 350 grain, from Speer, that is to die for. I can imagine that bullet, at 3000 fps, hitting a target, and the target simply going away.

Now, if you are going to buy a CZ, is it better to buy the 416 Rigby, and rebarrel to .500(what's a 416 Rigby blown out to .500 called? 500A2?).

Or, should you buy a 375H&H or 458 win mag, and rebarrel, etc.?

gs

Looking for a "Sledgehammer", are you?
http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm
I HIGHLY recommend a look at this site!
Have FUN.

This could almost keep me from getting a .375 H&H.

[ 09-08-2003, 14:22: Message edited by: BusMaster007 ]

Socrates,
This is kinda like the .451 bullet in a .458 barrel... it'll go down, but at what accuaracy?

the 500 sw is .500, and the a2,whatever is .510...

easist way to a big cased 50 is a 416cz rebarrel to either 510 wells or 50a2, 460 wb cases to 50.

jeffe

Try the .458 SOCOM from Marty at Teppo Jutsu. If you want a true .50, try Larry at State Arms.

The Speer bullet is designed for handgun speeds.
So it is possible to use it in a rifle for partice or deer hunting, because of the lower speed. They are not to be used for big game at high speeds.

It is also possible to swage it up to a larger diameter to fit a .506 or .510 bore.

I have been doing this to the 325 Speer HP and shooting them in my 505 Gibbs at 1600 fps.

Jim Wisner

I had thought of this and I mention it every now and then on this site:

Perhaps it would be possible to take those .510 saboted .44 and .45 JHP handgun bullets intended for BP rifles, and put them into one of our cartridge-fed .510's, purely for the purpose of more widely distributing the contents of one-gallon water jugs? Sounds like fun to me....I hope to try that in a year or two.

Folks: I live in the Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. I can't even BUY an AR-15, unless it's real old, and real expensive.

M1A's are the only mil rifle avaliable here.

Busmaster: that site was a LOT of fun to look at.
MY kind of folks!!!


SDS: EXACTLY!!

I have a smith capable of this kind of easy work.

Guess I should ask him, since he tried to sell me on the 416 Rigby, vs. the Lott, because you can keep pressure lower, with the same velocity.

If I have a beautiful 375 H&H, with a muzzle brake that's a piece of art, why not have your next up rifle a 500 Wells, vs. some wimpy Lott?


Sides, he did a 510 Wells on a Ruger #1, and I was really inspired, not to shoot that gun, but the cartridge.

gs

I may get in trouble for this, but so be it... Marty at Teppo Justu and I have been working on a 50 caliber cartridge that will provide a big bore alternative for both semi and bolt-action rifles. Specifically, my project is for a turn-key upper for my AR-10, just pull the pins, install the 50 caliber upper and you're ready to go. And, since the rim will be WSM size (.555), it will lend itself to the new breed of short magnum rifles popping up everywhere. We call it the 500 PHANTOM and I've been keeping a mini diary of the project on my webpage. In advance I need to ask for forgivness for my occassionally quicky writting. We think it looks like a lot of fun and we hope to have something go BANG in the next 60-90 days.

500 Phantom web page

i welcome any comments or suggestions.... If you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them, otherwise we'll have to wait until Marty gets home from an extended business trip... Then, after I get done appoligizing for letting "cat-out-of-the-bag", I know he'll be glad to entertain all the super-technical questions.

To 50 and beyond...

Joe

Joe,that looks more like what the Coast Guard was looking for, when then pick their 499/50 round for the boarding parties, have book marked your page and will look for follow up info, may have toadd that to the group, use the 458socom now for popping pigs and its great fun

JoePA, could you discuss the decisions that were made during the cartridge design phase? I'm sure I would learn something from that.

After looking at the website twice, the thing that bugs me the most is the division of the magazine space. If you were willing to give up the military ball spitzer boattail bullets for RNFBs (roundnose flatbase), you could get the same throw weight of bullet in the front of the magazine, with a bigger case behind it. Of course there might be the annoyance of giving up milsurp bullets unless you could seat them really deep.

On the other hand, it seems to me that it could be that longrange ballistics might improve; while the RN would have more drag and slow down quicker, with a bigger case behind it, it might be that a flatter trajectory and more delivered energy could be had farther downrange.

I remember that at the beginning of the .50 Alaskan development whoever was doing that was parting off the back end of the FMJSBT milsurp ball and loading them on the front of the .50 Alaskan case?

It seems to me that a fascinating discussion of the decisions that led up to the selection of case length is to be had if only someone (me)would ask for it.

Dave - Keep checking back once and awhile, I promise to keep things updated as we progess. We're just waiting on brass and a reamer... Then I need to pick my optics and we'll be ready to give this thing a try. I have the SOCOM in it's 475 version (475 TREMOR made by Tony Rumore) and I can't wait to try what will essentially be a "bigger" version of the same concept.

SDS - Whoa.... your making my brain bleed... division of space and such (-: I know that I'll be giving up the really high BC bullets because of the 2.81 OAL restriction, but I am totally hanging on the expertise of Marty and his cast of characters to guide me through this.... My major contribution to the project was ethusiasm and a few bucks... Marty did all the brain/design work and I'm sure he will be able to give you and intelligent response. I make chicken feed for a living and guns are just a hobby... I can discuss the proper diet for a laying hen all day, but get too deep into the specifics of engineering of a new wildcat, and I'm lost!!!

Thanks for your comments and I look forward to bring a new 50 to life...