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My brother in law has 2 such guns. One is in a 444 and the other in a 45-70. I know they kick like a mule, they are light to carry, but I don't fancy owning one. I might go the Sharps Buffalo route someday, weighing 12 pounds they shouldn't kick much I figure. | ||
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There were a few '95's built in the Hawk/Scovill wildcats written up in either Rifle or Handloader a while back, one in 338 and one in 375 I believe. I don't see any reason that this wouldn't work, you can load ammo for these to factory 06 specification (I wouldn't go any higher though, it's still a lever action) so you could get a decent medium bore rifle in a reasonably light repeating rifle that balanced well. fWIW - Dan | |||
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I have thought the same thing. The .405 I shot beat me. I regularly shoot my .470 Double for practice and the .405 is not my friend on the recoil end. I would love one in .303 however it just brings some great .303 shooting memories I have done in the past in the RSA. | |||
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The one I have in 303 has the original rifle butt, and it's about the limit of comfortable shooting (esp. with the old 215 gr bullets). The 405 has the shotgun butt, and has a decelerator pad on it, so I don't find it that bad. No, it's not original so I didn't screw up the collector value, there wasn't any. - Dan | |||
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Some finnish info on the 1895 Winchesters. There are quite a few of them over here. They were musket type issued to Imperial Russian Navy, and in January 1918, when the Finns disarmed the Russian soldiers (40.000 stationed in Finland at the time and quite bolsjevic; they had killed off their officers), they were used in the War for Freedom / Civil war of spring 1918, and ended up all over the country as hunting rifles and home guard rifles. A lot of them were sporterized and rebored to 8,2x53R (200grs at 2550 fps) and 9,3x53 (255 grs at 2350 fps). RCBS makes dies for the Finnish market. These are original Finnish calibers based of course on the7,62x53R. Crazy idea: Why not improve one of these oldies? It would be a unique rifle in the USA. boha | |||
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quote: Dear Boha - how many Euros would a used, sporterized M 1895 with a 9,3 x 53 R barrel cost in Finland ? Alternatively, I would be interested in a 9,3 x 53 R barrel for a M 1944 Mosin-Nagant of mine. Regards, | |||
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Lever action rifles just do not handle heavy recoil well. Further, the actions are too short for serious dangerous game calibers. Have fun with the lever in north america. | |||
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I'll second Carcano's question, what would one of these 95's be worth? Second, how do you get it to North America? Thanks - Dan | |||
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Recoil has crossed my mind, the stocks on most '95's I've handled have resembled nothing so much as the business end of a boat paddle and would likely be unpleasant under recoil from a 30-06 much less anything bigger. Guns in less than collector condition in common chamberings are much less than a 1886 or 71 and unlikely increase sharply. This makes me more inclined to restock with a more suitable shotgun style butt with less drop and big fat recoil pad. Add a little weight to the barrel and it may not be so bad. I have no plans for chasing buffs with such a gun, not because it isn't possible, but because I think there are better tools for the job. The truth of the matter is that a 400 grain .41" bullet @ 2100-2200 fps doesn't care if it came from the barrel of a John Taylor Limited Edition .450/.400 or a rebarreled Savage. DOC | ||
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Double Post [This message has been edited by DOC (edited 03-18-2002).] | ||
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I browsed through some finnish sites and contacted local dealers, this is what I found: Moisin Nagant Sako made barrel 9,3x53R excellent bore : 336,38 Euro. Moisin Nagant 8,2x53R : 302 Euro Moisin Nagant 8,2x53R : 70 Euro Winchester 1895 musket 7,62x53R: 1200 Euro Winchester 1895 sporters 8,2x53R: 520 Euro No one had 9,3x53R Winchesters for sale, but I�ll keep looking around. I�ll check with a few collectors. Old hunters swear by them and won�t sell.. About shipping rifles to the US; no problem in this end; I would recommend buying through a dealer, though, its easier. A US citizen should not have a problem buying a firearm in Finland. Inside EU the only problem would be if the purchaser travels through several countries with the gun, due to different gun laws. Shipping is no problem though. Boha | |||
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I have a 375 Hawk made from one of the recent production 1895s made by Winchester. It was originally a 270 (never could figure out why USRAC would put a 270 in an open sight rifle) and I sent it off to Z-Hat for the conversion (www.z-hat.com)a couple of years ago. Fred Zeglin should be able to tell you if other rounds are feasible in the '95. Due to the flat buttplate, recoil from the original 270 barrel was OK but not pleasant. After getting the 375 back, I did install a decelerator, which helped the recoil as does holding on tight. I had a slightly heaver barrell put on to also add some more weight. Since the 375 Hawk is basically just the 9.3 x 62 necked up, rechambering the the 9.3 can provide a big game cartridge in a handy rifle. I think the limiting factor on larger cases would be the magazine box. I have used mine on two black bears in Alaska and an axis deer here in Texas with acceptable results. Accuracy has been good with everything but X bullets. | |||
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Any holder of an FFL can import "occasional" firearms from overseas. That includes the C&R! I know, I did. My recommendation would be to put a deposit on the rifle, get the serial number, make/model, etc. nomenclature and request a Form 6A. Once that is approved, finish paying for the rifle and the shipping. Once it arrives in U.S. Customs, they will mail you notification. You then mail them the approved 6A and the two accompanying Form 6's. They will mail (that's right MAIL) you your gun. since all original M1985's are over 50 years old, they qualify as Curios and Relics. Sarge | |||
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HI, 500 Grain,your statement is just wrong,lever-action do have a long enough action for some serious rounds and recoil is up to the person.I am getting a win86 in a 50-110 it will, again it will shoot a 525 grain at 2,200 fps this gives it a ME around 5,600-5,700. I think that is enough for any game on earth.And this is being done now, BBA will have ammo for this round soon. And yes the pressure is no problem,remenber that win86 had the 5o-110 in it many years ago and now it can be done with smokeless.The actions on the win86 or 71 are very strong much stronger than most people realize | |||
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Kev how much are 86 winchesters are they new or 2nd hand is 86 the right model designation???. ------------------ | |||
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hi, THE 86, I got is new.I am having MR. Dave Clay do the work,I have heard he is really good and does fine work It will have a 22 inch barrle with a 3/4 inch muzzel break on it. The 50-110 that BBA have done reload loads has a 20 inch and they are very close to 2,200 fps with their's.I talk to Dave and he is also doing some other very intersting rounds on the 86 or 71 . Kev | |||
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The 1886's and'71's that have come out in the last few years from Winchester and Browning (they're both actually made in Japan, by Miroku I believe)are the new ones. They use modern steels and can be played with a bit more than the originals, in my opinion (some of those girls are getting old). The 50-110 (and 50-100) were originally loaded by Winchester with a 300 gr bullet I think, in an express loading. The cases for the two cartridges are the same. I'm not sure about the velocity or energy figures for the heavy bullet loads (I haven't built one, yet), but you would need the proper twist to stabilise those bullets. If a big lever gun is your thing, this would probably be the way to go, and give you all the recoil you could ever want. FWIW - Dan | |||
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I want a .303 British Model 95. If anyone can help me find one I would appreciate it very much..!!! Joel Slate | |||
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Dan & Kev I looked on the winchester website and did not see 86 winchesters there, are they available in Australia??. Is the model 86 or 1886 what are they worth new?? and if one wanted to buy one new what calibers are they available in???. Regards PC ------------------ | |||
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PC-the last '86 Winchester released was the lightweight, in 45-70 (as were all the new 86's, the 71's were in 348 Win) last year. I don't know if they are on their web site, I do know the local dealer has one for $1200 CDN ($800 US)on his shelf. Any Winchester dealer should be able to find you one, or if you look on the gun auction sites you should be able to come up with one. Joel-up here in the great white north there are a lot of 303's and some of them are even Winchester 95's (I own one). Any particular version you're looking for? Let me know and I'll keep an eye out. - Dan | |||
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Dan currently I am building a .585 Nyatti and then in September if all goes to plan I will paying for an Armalite AR30M .338 lapua magnum rifle. If I am allowed to get in the country, I was not able to import an AR-50. Following this I would be inetrested in an the 1886 as I would be interested in the 50-110 caliber so I suppose what ever caliber was the most suitable for conversion. As you can see my gun purchasing is booked out for a few months. Prospective rifles need to book an appointment with my safe well in advance  I have heard that an American ex-president had one of these in .404 Jefferies is this correct??.What sort of trajectory does the 50-110 posses? I imagine recoil is stiff, still it would be an excellent hog gun. Dan if someone could e-mail me a picture of one of these rifles I would be grateful. In a few months Dan I might well take you up on the offer, thing is I am in Australia does that pose a problem??
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PC- the '95 Winchester that the ex-pres.(Teddy Roosevelt) used was in 405 Winchester, which Winchester has released once again. Hornady is making ammo. The other calibers that new 95's were released in are 270, 30-40, and 30-06. On the '86 front, all of the new issue stuff is in 45-70. The '71's were in 348 Winchester, which is the same basic case as the 50-110, if memory serves. All of these are limited releases, so except for this years release (the 405 '95), you're probably looking for old stock or used. About the cheapest way to get into a decent original '86 would probably be in 33 Winchester, as I believe that these were the most common variation. In an original '95 you could probably find a 303 with not too much trouble (at least around here). It also came in a myriad of calibers (30-40, 35 Winchester, 40-82, etc.)so there are other options. I still think that if you are going to be rechambering/barreling/boring that you would be better off using one of the newer actions for strength reasons. - Dan | |||
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Dan what is the price range for a second hand 1886 in 405, 45/70 or 303.?? ------------------ | |||
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PC; I see a few 95s in .303B every summer, they run$5-800 Cdn depending on shape. They are the most common 95Win caliber up here. I'd love to have 1 in the Russian 7.65 X 54R, I've never seen 1 of those in Ont, Can. | |||
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PC- the 1886's built in the last 15 years are only available in 45-70. A used version (depends on which one) goes for between $800 -1600 CDN. - Dan | |||
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Dan how difficult would it be to get one into Australia?? in either .303 or 45/70?? | |||
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Joel I have one in 303 with the 28" barrel it shot good enough for my non trophy muledeer this year.I bought it early inthe fall for $300 . We went to the Saskatoon gunshow a couple of weeks ago looking for another one for my buddy. We found one that Al Pederson had redone ,stock all refinished ,one of his barrels 24",jeweled bolt,action as slick as i've seen on a 95 , good trigger about 2.5 lbs,Blueing exellent. They wanted $500 .As a collector its a bubba , a good one but still a bubba.AS a shooter he got it for $400 I think it was worth it. Rich [This message has been edited by RR (edited 04-06-2002).] | |||
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PC- I have no idea about getting things into Australia, aside from me. Seriously, you would have to check with your local authorities. And again, 86's are NOT available in 303. - Dan | |||
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Hi guys & girls. I am making up a 95' winchester in .458x2" American for my shooting needs. It was an old .303 brit . Rim size the same , small alts to mag to fit.Perfect feed as is..Enough to handle the power needs as size of bullets is fantastic. For use inside 150-200 meters. Lyman 66 peep sight ; building a higher combed stock out of New Zealand walnut. The pressures should run same as the new .450 Marlin cal. Matt blued finish Lyman blade front sight....Should be a cracker for most game here in New Zealand. Just thought I'd share this wiht you fine folks.....Enjoy your hunting..Pete. ------------------ | ||
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murfy, So it isn't impossible to re-chamber a 450 Marlin in to .458 Win Mag (or a short one). To reach pressure of .50 AK. ------------------ | |||
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