Cannuck- I'll shoot my double 458 Lott four times as fast as I can at the jugs at 15 yrds or so and you try the same thing with my .600 Heym Bolt Gun. Bet you a big steak in Txs. I'm faster. Hell by number four you won't even be able to remember where the target even is !!!!.-Rob

Canuk,

I've got some video of myself shooting a .470NE and if you can tell me how to post it. It'll show that there is very little muzzle rise in fact hardly any at all.

You just got to know how to handle these rifles. Hang on to them don't let them rise.

surestrike!

I tried your double reload technique during a dry fire practice session and I think your on to something there. I need to get smoother which will come with practice but when it works it is very fast. Thanks!

465H&H

465 H&H,
That BS, I have seen you shoot, you don't need to get fast, you put the first two shot in the same hole almost everytime, you trying to sucker that kid out of his money???

Ray!

Please don't fowl up my well thought out plans. BTW, thanks for the compliment even though it is a gross exageration!.



465H&H

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Cannuck- I'll shoot my double 458 Lott four times as fast as I can at the jugs at 15 yrds or so and you try the same thing with my .600 Heym Bolt Gun. Bet you a big steak in Txs. I'm faster. Hell by number four you won't even be able to remember where the target even is !!!!.-Rob

Rob, win or lose you know I'd love to take you up on that!! I'd gladly buy you a big steak just for the chance to pop some caps on your big bores. Heck, gettin "punch drunk" is just part of the allure of slinging large lead.

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by surestrike:
Canuk,

I've got some video of myself shooting a .470NE and if you can tell me how to post it. It'll show that there is very little muzzle rise in fact hardly any at all.

You just got to know how to handle these rifles. Hang on to them don't let them rise.

As a side note, I think you guys have managed to find every possible way to spell Canuck! After 8 years on this board, I doubt Ray has spelled it right once! For some reason you 'merican's have a lot of trouble with that one. I am sure there is no disrespect intended, but some might be offended eventually.

Surestrike, what format is your video? Is it digital already? If so, what format? If not, is it 8mm or VHS? I can help with the hosting and posting, but we may have to resort to snail-mailing a CD or tape.

Have you ever checked out the videos on http://www.470mbogo.com ? Lots of stuff of the cartridge inventor and me (Chris) and a bunch of others on there.

Cheers,
Canuck

Canuck, (Check spelling please.)

Yes it is NTSC digital.

Aaa.

Cunnuch,
I have never spelled it right, I only left an "n" out on one ocassion!!

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
surestrike!

I tried your double reload technique during a dry fire practice session and I think your on to something there. I need to get smoother which will come with practice but when it works it is very fast. Thanks!

465H&H

465H&H.

It is so much faster and easier than all the other methods I've seen and tried that it's not even a comparison.

I showed it to a PH buddy of mine in ZIM last year he was absolutely floored by how fast and simple this method is.

I wasn't going to post about this until after I'd won the double gun competition next month. But I guess the cat is out of the bag.

Promises not to use it against me!!

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Yes it is NTSC digital.

Is it on a tape (ie. Mini-dv), or do you have it in a .mpg, .wmv, .avi or similar format?

Cheers,
Canuck

ps: excellent work on the spelling.

pps: Ray, you are something else!

Canuck
In using my double rifles for the past 7 years or so I have also discovered that having 2 very quick shots has proven more handy than having 3 or more rounds in a bolt rifle.
If you shoot at and hit OR miss an animal, many times with a double you can get a second shot off. Not so with a bolt rifle. This is true if it is your first and second shot, or "latter on down the line", when you see the animal after the first engagement.
Also with the double, whether you have fired one or 2 shots it is easy, fast, and can be silent if necessary, to "top off" the double rifle. Not so with a bolt rifle. With a bolt you must open the bolt, removing, and catching a live round, then load new rounds in the magazine, then close the bolt. This takes a lot of time, is noisy, and can be messed up causing a "jam".
Under pressure most bolt rifle shooters do not top off, thus eventually ending up with an empty rifle. Once a bolt rifle is empty it takes a lot longer even to load only 2 rounds, and as stated previoiusly, the reload can be botched, jamming the rifle. I have seen this many times durring training of the people I teach who are responsible for Dangerous Animal Escapes.
With the double rifle is is much easier to keep 2 UP.

Canuck
Get yourself a scoped [with QD mounts] 9,3x74R double rifle. I can highly recommend the Chapuis, mine weighs 7 1/4 lbs with out scope.
It is perfect for Canadian game. Use it for a couple of years, and you to shall be Born Again.
You will have drank from the Holy Grail, and Proudly proclaim your Membership In the Double Rifle Shooters Society.

NE 450.
Sounds good to me, except to top up a bolt rifle
in a UM interesting situation, I don't know I'd stuff around with the one from the chamber, just eject it as a nuisance and maybe get it later. Does that make sense? (I'm having a bad day)
John L.

JAL
I just hate the thought of dropping live rounds on the ground, that in all probability will not be recovered.
With proper technique it is not too hard to "catch" the round in the chamber and stuff it back into the magazine, it just takes time and is noisy.

I prefer the double.

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Originally posted by Canuck:
Is it on a tape (ie. Mini-dv), or do you have it in a .mpg, .wmv, .avi or similar format?

Cheers,
Canuck

ps: excellent work on the spelling.

pps: Ray, you are something else!

Canakanadin,

It's on a DVD. If you'd like I can send you a copy. Just PM or e-mail me the address.

Greg

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Also with the double, whether you have fired one or 2 shots it is easy, fast, and can be silent if necessary, to "top off" the double rifle. Not so with a bolt rifle. With a bolt you must open the bolt, removing, and catching a live round, then load new rounds in the magazine, then close the bolt. This takes a lot of time, is noisy, and can be messed up causing a "jam".

NE450#2, there is some truth to all that. A lotta guys don't do it like "second nature".

I hear ya about the 9.3x74R double, but I don't think I'll be buying any double any time soon. Need the $$ for hunting!

Cheers,
Canuck

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Canakanadin,

It's on a DVD. If you'd like I can send you a copy. Just PM or e-mail me the address.

Greg

Surestrike...you've got a PM.

Cheers,
Canuck

Hi Rob,
If your setting out water jugs just to keep things the same use the 5 gallon paint or oil containers. You know the ones you can hardly get the lids off without busting a nut. Put them out at 35 yards so you have to aim at them. The explosions will show if they have been center hit or not. At 35 yards you will have to re-aquire your target after recoil rather than shot gunning them. The 458 Lott would work out perfect because the recoil is comparable. Looking forward to Texas.
Take good care,
Dave

Have you tried the "Doppelbuschs-Repetierer Mutant"?
http://www.jagdwaffe.com/

Back to the original post, if I may, where do we stand on the video? I still would like to see some double rifle reloads even in slow motion.
Peter.

You silly wabbits, I have been charged 3 times by buffalo, actually about 5 but they never got the wheels running and were wabbly on them and just making a move...then a Lion charge after a client, and a couple of elephants that gave it a thought it seemed, so maybe those are close ones, maybe they don't count, who knows.

My point being, I have never gotten in a hurry to reload and get off a lot of fast shots, I depend on shot placement, speed kills! ask any traffic cop, they will tell you that.....

Guess that disqualifys me from this thread, oh well on to bigger and better things, like a ham sandwich, its lunch time...

And there I thought I should practice reloading..silly me!
Peter.

Canuckistan,

Do you guys have any Taliban-liberals up there, the kind who want to take away fun stuff like guns, impose more taxes and expand the social programs?

BTW, I recommend that you shoot Rob's .600 bolt gun. It is a fine piece of machinery, well made and very attractive, balancing nicely and accurate. Even the trigger pull is just right. But when you pull the trigger it's like driving you car into a brick wall at 40 m.p.h. Then you work the bolt and do it again.

Ray!

Accuracy is paramount. Speed is good. Acurracy and speed are the best of both worlds.

465H&H

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Canuckistan,

Do you guys have any Taliban-liberals up there, the kind who want to take away fun stuff like guns, impose more taxes and expand the social programs?

Not sure where you are going with that, but ya, sadly we do have more than our fair share of "Michael Moore"-types up here.

I would love to try Rob's 600 out sometime! Unfortunately, Texas aint in the cards for me again this year.

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Ray!

Accuracy is paramount. Speed is good. Acurracy and speed are the best of both worlds.

465H&H

Certainly, but speed from practise, not speed from panic.
JL.

Canuck- Hell even you could shoot my .600OK maybe even better than me.I'm talking Heym .600NE same load. You got Alzheimers yet? You will after that. No way in the world you'll shoot four rounds faster than me!!! You'll slip on the drool ol Bud! Not kidding, it's brutal!-Rob

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Certainly, but speed from practise, not speed from panic.
JL.

JAL,

That's a given.

465H&H

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I'm talking Heym .600NE same load. You got Alzheimers yet? You will after that. No way in the world you'll shoot four rounds faster than me!!! You'll slip on the drool ol Bud! Not kidding, it's brutal!-Rob

Love it! That just makes me want to try it all the more! Well, at least once or maybe twice anyway!

What makes the Heym such a brutal kicker? Is it the weight or just the lack of muzzle brake (relative to the 600OK)?

Cheers,
Canuck

Canuck
Seriously, if you do a lot of hunting where you shoot game under 200 yards, get a Chapuis in 9,3x74R. Scope it with QD mounts, use either 286 Woodleigh Softs or 286 Nosler Partitions. Use it for a while, and you will become a convert. It truely is the best hunting rifle on the planet.
Trust ME, I would not steer you wrong.

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Originally posted by Canuck:

quote:

I'm talking Heym .600NE same load. You got Alzheimers yet? You will after that. No way in the world you'll shoot four rounds faster than me!!! You'll slip on the drool ol Bud! Not kidding, it's brutal!-Rob

Love it! That just makes me want to try it all the more! Well, at least once or maybe twice anyway!

What makes the Heym such a brutal kicker? Is it the weight or just the lack of muzzle brake (relative to the 600OK)?

Cheers,
Canuck

When 500Grains had the Heym 600NE, he'd posted that he had to take some aspirin before shooting it and had to lay down after maybe 10 rounds because it gave him migraines. I believe the Heym is way too light for the caliber. Of course, Rob could put a muzzle brake on it.

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I believe the Heym is way too light for the caliber.

Makes sense. Didn't know that was 500gr's rifle before.

Not a real good idea to take a blood thinner BEFORE you start smacking your brain against the inside of your skull though!

Cheers,
Canuck

My approach is timing on a charge, I shoot them but I try and keep a barrel in reserve by reloading after each shot most of the time....

At any rate I have in each case had both barrels or a full magazine when the charges began...then I wait until I cannot miss. so far so good..the idea of reloading does not have a lot of appeal to me under those circumstances however I am fairly fast at it, but apparantly not as fast as some on this board, but I am satisfied I can hold my own barring fate which is a tremendous factor in this scenario, shit happens is a fact of charges..

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
but apparantly not as fast as some on this board,

Ray,

Nobody said anybody was any faster than anybody else. People are just offering some different ideas.

Just cause it ain't the way YOU do it doesn't make it wrong. It's just different.

The quickest most controllable method I've ever tried is the one I've mentioned before. It works for me and it works for alot of people who've tried it.

maybe you should get your crochity old ass off the keybord and give it a try. Either that or go get another sponge bath, but jeezus quit being such a grumpy old fart!

I completley agree with you that having to reload during a charge is a way bad thing. It's more about keeping your cool and waiting for the shot at that point. Not always an easy thing to do.

But by the same token is your theory on not practicing a fast reload the same with a bolt gun? Should a bolt gunner not practice a quick shoulder mounted bolt throw? When you were in law enforcement did you not not practice the emergency reload? I know I do every time I go to requal. It is just good habbit and muscle memory work.

It just makes sense to get as good with your chosen weapon as possible. Because you never know when "shit happens" is going to happen.

Please use what works for you..

Surestrike!
Using your method I can get a reload in round 3 second between shots. I'm sure withmore practice I can get it down to 2.5 maybe even eventualy close to 2 seconds. Thanks for the tip. BTW I think you were a little hard on Ray. He was just saying what has worked for him and didn't seem dogmatic to me. Although he does need to be taken down a peg or two at times.

465H&H

465H&H

You're right I was a little hard on Ray,

Ok Ray go get two sponge baths. And an extra ration of prune juice..

Sorry if I came across too harsh Ray. Once again that WASN'T THE INTENTION...

I was trying to communicate that I find it a bit silly not to practice these types of things and keep learning new things whenever possible.

Of course it's difficult to do that on the net where we don't have facial expressions and body language to help people know that we are not being aggresive or argumentative.

I was also tryimg to lighten the post by adding some humor. Which of course was aimed at Ray and could be taken incorrectly.

I admire and respect age, wisdom, and experience.

My appologies.

Greg

Thanks, I was wondering why my post blew your skirt up, glad you cut me a little slack for mentioning how I handle the situation, I thought it a good option to offer..

I only drank half the prune juice and am sending you the remainder, it will work better if you stick it up your keyster....

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Originally posted by Atkinson:

I only drank half the prune juice and am sending you the remainder, it will work better if you stick it up your keyster....

You see Ray,

There is more than one way to skin a cat. I wonder how fast the keyster method works on a double jammed load?

Well surestrike, seeing as you had a go at Ray,
If your double rifle reload is as fast as you say, why do you have the pictured AK-47 as backup.
(retorical question)
JL.

Ray is right about one thing... If you shoot good you do not have to worry about reloading...... Much.