Would you folks knowledgable in double rifles comment on this rifle? I am not really serious about it but I would like to know what you think. Seems that crank would make for a tight lockup on the action, but thats a quess on my part. I would really like to know what you think on the underlever lockup feature, even if you don't like this gun.



I am not in the immediate market for a double but I think a few years down the road I am going to make the plunge, once I am a tad smarter.

The Jones Underlever is the strongest possible lockup for a side-by-side double rifle action. It just works. Some major abuse would be required to get one of those to shoot off face.

Might be a little slower, but I'd soon get speed enough to reload just about as fast as with a top lever.

That one has a doll's head "third fastener." Swell!

RIP,

Did ths feature transition to hammerless doubles?

Yeah the camming action made sense to me.

I. Hollis and Sons is the manufacturer of this one.

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Originally posted by schromf:
RIP,

Did ths feature transition to hammerless doubles?

Yeah the camming action made sense to me.

I. Hollis and Sons is the manufacturer of this one.

Yes,
There were some Jones Underlever hammerless guns, but I am not the expert here. Where is Mickey when you need him?

Check out the Jack Lott article on "Double Gun Actions" that Nickudu just posted.

schromf,

If that rifle is a '577 Express' they mean it is a 577 Black Powder Express (BPE) which fires a 650 grain bullet at 1850 fps. That loading is fine for buffalo, but lacks both the sectional density and the velocity for reliable frontal brain penetration on elephant. 5 years ago there was a beautiful Westley Richards .577 BPE for sale at the WR booth at SCI (I think the WR booth...) for $8K. Quite a deal. I have not seen such a nice one since.

500grains,

I am certainly no expert on this subject, I can only paste the details of the write up:

I. Hollis and Sons .577 Express. 26 1/2" barrels with 3 leaf express sights for 100-300 yards, red bead front. Proofed for 83 grains Cordite, 650 grain bullet. Extractor. Back action sidelock features Jones underlever lockup. Dolls' head rib extension/ top fastener. Scroll engraving, sculpted fences. Pistol grip stock features horn grip cap, pistol grip checkering. Splinter fore end boasts horn tip and Deeley release. Double triggers, External hammers. Rifle has honest wear from use, but in exceptional shape for an arm made in the heyday of the British empire. 14 3/4" LOP. 11 1/2 Lbs.

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I think the WR booth...)

I think I need to go to a SCI show, somehow I think I could get lost at that booth for a few hours.

Edit: I think my checkbook needs to be flush when I do or I will end up regretting it.

Schromf, where is this one listed? The 577 BPE has been on my "wish list"(!!!) for a long time. I love those old BPEs and it sounds like the ticket of anything in NA.

Bob

Cabelas, here:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/community/gun...265_iholl577_leh.jsp

Bob, if you are going to ask Cabelas about the Express. Ask them how much cast off their is. Looking at there posted pictures, the center photo looks like there might be around 1/2" or so cast off. Do you know what stock dimentions you need for a good fit? That is , length of pull, drop at comb and heel, and how much cast off, (if right handed).

Just a thought,

Hog Killer

Schromf,

That is a really beautiful rifle. If you would like some information please contact Ernie Stallman who owns Badger Barrels. He has several of them and is one of the nicest persons to talk to on the phone, always helpful and cordial, and, of course, extremely knowledgeable.

Good luck and good hunting to whoever buys this rifle!

Guys,

This rifle seems to be the typical third quality produced by this firm, for the India market.

The rifle is also the 2-3/4 inch case and not the big 3 inch version. The 2-3/4 was used quite a bit in India, and this rifle is of the lighter version.

It also seems to be priced high. If you insist on a nitro instead of a black powder express, expect to pay more. You could get a best quality rifle in any of the black powder exprss cartridges for 1/2 that price.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Mark

I'd be more than happy with THIS ONE!

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You could get a best quality rifle in any of the black powder exprss cartridges for 1/2 that price.

I agree about the price! I have a manton 10 bore w/non-rebounding hammers that appears identical down to the engraving that I paid much less than half that price for less than a year ago. I would put it at about 5.5-6.5k max, particularly with "honest wear" and the short case.

I think the BPE doubles are a underappreciated value for the non-DG that we spend the vast majority of our days afield pursuing. A 577 BPE would be an incredible 100-150 yd moose/elk/pig gun, more practical and a tiny fraction of the cost of a 577 NE.

Bob

Thanks guys,

I was curious, and not serious about buying this anyway.

I would like a double but its definately nothing I am ready to jump into. I will keep my eye open for the underlevers though.

Seems like this feature with a hammerless, in a 500 Nitro, 470 NE, or a 450 NE would fit my needs and wants better anyway.

I found another underlever price isn't any better, same caliber. It is a T. Woodward. for sale at Griffin & Howe.

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Originally posted by Mark Baker:
Guys,

This rifle seems to be the typical third quality produced by this firm, for the India market.

The rifle is also the 2-3/4 inch case and not the big 3 inch version. The 2-3/4 was used quite a bit in India, and this rifle is of the lighter version.

It also seems to be priced high. If you insist on a nitro instead of a black powder express, expect to pay more. You could get a best quality rifle in any of the black powder exprss cartridges for 1/2 that price.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Mark

Mark,
I have handled that rifle, and it is a 3" gun. 577 came in 2 3/4 3' and 3 1/4 in all deamed express.
The gun has had some monolithics thru it so I stayed away, and they are a little pricy on it. they have a holland 500 BPE for 11,000 that would be a much better buy.

Just my 2 cents

505ED

I don't think that is a 3 inch cased rifle, unless some idiot opened up the chambers.

The big 3 inch nitro round uses a 750 grain bullet and 100 grains of cordite. Also at 11 lbs, that rifle would be too light for the 3 inch load.

The 2-3/4 nitro loads were always with a lighter 650 grain bullet and around 75-90 grains of cordite.

The proof marks on that rifle fit into the 2-3/4 inch realm.

Mark

It must be opened up then because I have seen it in person!

505ED

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The 2-3/4 nitro loads were always with a lighter 650 grain bullet and around 75-90 grains of cordite.

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Mark

There were a number of rifles made for the 2 3/4" 750 grain bullet / 90 grains Cordite load. 1850fps.

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The big 3 inch nitro round uses a 750 grain bullet and 100 grains of cordite. Also at 11 lbs, that rifle would be too light for the 3 inch load.

577/3" Nitro for Black. 75 grains Cordite / 650 gr. bullet /1900fps.

One of my 577NE/3"/750 weighs 10.5 pounds.

Schromf, That Cabelas has a Searcy underlever in 470 NE sitting next to that Holis. It's just not listed on the web. They want 13,500 for it.

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Schromf, That Cabelas has a Searcy underlever in 470 NE sitting next to that Holis. It's just not listed on the web. They want 13,500 for it.

Yup, and it is way overpriced because the rifle has been roughly handled and need to go back to Searcy to be fixed up. I would say offer them 8K for it then spend a bit to get it put back in order.

500gr. Is it a used gun? that was my impression. I don't know enough about doubles to know a good one from a bad one. That's why I'm buying new.

Yes, it is a used gun and a bit abused in my observation.