A very important thing,IMO,especially when shooting hard recoiling rifles with a slanted or dropping rear stock.Looking at some pictures of old sporting and military bolt action rifles,one sees that many stocks where designed with a long and slim grip.I didn't realize the purpose of this until shooting both my CZ's with open sights and seeing the issues that came up-getting hit by the hand that held the grip,in the face and having my thumb hit the rear of the bolt under recoil.I discussed this issue with Ralph Martini.Ralph explained that it was the thick or "fat" CZ stock that was responible,mainly the grip being too thick.That made perfect sense to me and made me realize how important it is to have a long slim grip when shooting open sights with a dropping back stock.

Excellent point. The configuration of that pistol grip is a critical part of proper stock fit and control of the rifle.

let's get the pics rolling for reference

If you are getting hit in the face with your thumb ,it is the LOP that is incorrect the stock is too short. If your hand is slideing and getting hit by the trigger guard it is grip shape, and in most cases too thin a grip and lack of grip strengh.

I have some nerve damage to both hands due to corpural tunnel. Tendenitis is causeing a strength problem. I loose grip strength as I close my hand tighter. My 470 merkel with a long thin grip slides in my hand and eats my trigger finger up. I just can not close my hand tight around it. My 470 Chaprui is a little thicker and has a palm swell , It is just thick enough that I can hold on to it. My 505 is much thicker and never slides in my hand even with a weak grip.

When it comes to recoil control and to stock fit , there is no one factor, its the sum of all the factors. LOP is the most important, comb hight and angle second, recoil relief (butt thickness and comb thickness) third. Cast off to a lesser extent.

I have shot a 550 mag, and a 500 nitro double and not have them slide in my hand, because the grip was thick enough. I have had my litle 16 guage double ,slide in my hand and bang my tigger finger on a day when my hand is swollen and I could not grip the stock because it is too thin. It's more about thickness and grip strength, and LOP than shape of the grip. You can have a open or a tight grip angle and have either one work well or slide in your hand dp to thickness ,LOP , and to soft of a recoil pad.

If the recoil pad is too thick or too soft I think that may allow the rifle to get a running start,and hit the trigger finger harder,even more so when the LOP is too short.

Work on grip strength , its important that you have enough, and can hang on.


JD

Hi JD. Different topic but any progress on the 416-505?

JD,I measured LOP on both my Ruger and Lott from the trigger to the butt and they are almost identicle.I've never been hit by the Ruger not once and I've fired way more rounds with it compared to the CZ.Here is a picture of both my rifles side by side.Notice how much slimmer and longer or further away from the trigger guard the Ruger grip is.[URL= ]Ruger and CZ grips[/URL]

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
Hi JD. Different topic but any progress on the 416-505?

I sent the reamer off to have dies made ,have a 28" barrel and a deal ewith ed for a PH action.

JD

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Originally posted by shootaway:
JD,I measured LOP on both my Ruger and Lott from the trigger to the butt and they are almost identicle.I've never been hit by the Ruger not once and I've fired way more rounds with it compared to the CZ.Here is a picture of both my rifles side by side.Notice how much slimmer and longer or further away from the trigger guard the Ruger grip is.[URL= ]Ruger and CZ grips[/URL]

If you can grip the rifle firmly, and do not allow it to break your grip and slide it does not matter, as long as there is enough clearence.

One of the fixes is to place a rubbber bumper behind the guard for your finger to rest on.The better gunshops have them for shotguns.


Your problem is most likely grip strength. If the rifle fits and you grip it well, the rifle, your hand gripping the wrist of the stock stock and your shoulder with the butt firmly in place will move as a unit. You don't want the rifle to break free and get a running start at you. You pull it in tight grip it firmly and go for the ride.

JD