How about "world peace".... anyone want to rant against that?

When you can’t put forth an argument post cartoon animations.

Will, don’t you mean “x one billion jillion infinity� That’s a little Pee Wee Herman-esq, don’t you think?

Speaking of which, just what is that little animated guy doing, anyway? Whatever it is, Vapodog is cheering it on and AssGuy is hosing it down. This place is weird.

I was just trying to "be nice", didn't work, so lets play on your level......

Wismon...I'm sure that is not pronounced "Wise Man" more accurately "Wiss Moan" as in "Piss & Moan"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wismon:
When you can’t put forth an argument...."

I viewed this as a debate, perhaps a senseless one, but a debate none the less. I'm sure you have heard of the concept. You know, an exchange of intellectual and informed ideas, it seems you prefer an "argument"... good luck in life with this approach.

I'm sure this is what you want to hear... "Yes, the 9.3 is perfectly adequate for any game animal that can be appropriately taken with the 375 H&H"

Nobody was denegrating the 9.3, however, it is less of everything when compared to the 375 H&H.

If "16%" does not matter to you, please send me "16%" of your income.....you will "never notice the difference" and 84% of your income is "in the same class" as 100% of your income.

".....This place is weird". And you fit right in

I’ll send you the 16% of my income that you say is significant if you’ll send me the 84% of your income that you say isn’t.

I have used both calibers as much as anybody on plainsgame and buffalo...

Fact: The 9.3x62 in a 26 inch barrel in a modern or good Mauser will shoot a 320 gr. bullet at near 2400 FPS...

Fact: A .375 H&H will shoot a 300 gr. bullet at 2550 FPS..The 375 H&H has the advantage of cross section, and that is nothing to sneeze at on big animals like Buffalo..

Fact: There is not a hell of a lot of difference between the two but the .375 H&H has all the aces in its pocket and is the better of the two rounds for large dangerous game...

I would hunt the same species with either caliber and be perfectly happy..

Why don't you guys do something constructive like argue over the 270 vs. the 30-06, same arguement, and the 06 has the edge on bigger animals IMO...

Nice try....

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Originally posted by Wismon:
I’ll send you the 16% of my income that you say is so significant if you’ll send me the 84% of your income that you say isn’t.

YOU are the one "arguing" that the last "16%" does not make much difference and correspondingly that 84% = 100%.....

Do you just like/want to argue? Or do you just not have the ability to comprehend?

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YOU are the one "arguing" that the last "16%" does not make much difference and correspondingly that 84% = 100%.....

Nehemiah 6:8 “…Nothing like what you are saying is happening; you are just making it up out of your head.â€

I’ve gone to great lengths, several times on this thread, to point out the two rounds are distinct and not the same. You’re making up that claim out of whole cloth.

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Do you just like/want to agrue? Or do you just not have the ability to comprehend?

Well, I don't have the ability to comprehend what “agruing†is. Why don’t you tell me about it?

Wismon,

My typing maybe piss poor but not my logic.

Not sure about Bible quotes vs ballistic facts... but I'm sure it makes sense to you.

Have a nice day. Good bye!

PS. My 9.3x74R is better than your 9.3x62

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Originally posted by mrlexma:

But if I were forced to choose between these two marginal cartridges for use against such game, I would most assuredly choose the one that is marginally more powerful - the .375.

Not me. I'd pick the one that I can shoot the best and for me, that is my Blaser or CZ 9.3X62.

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:

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Originally posted by mrlexma:

But if I were forced to choose between these two marginal cartridges for use against such game, I would most assuredly choose the one that is marginally more powerful - the .375.

Not me. I'd pick the one that I can shoot the best and for me, that is my Blaser or CZ 9.3X62.

Can't fault your logic, but as for me, I shoot my 9.3s and my .375s equally well!

Bye, AssGuy.

Mr. Atkinson, hold on a minute so I can write this down. Please be patient with me...270 and 30-06, you say? I’ll have to do some research on that, it sounds very interesting…

I think you know that I hold you and your opinions in great esteem, as does everyone on this site and as well as people elsewhere. A while back I observed with abject horror when some trouble-makers here treated you improperly. From it I observed that there is no gain to be had in letting people treat one with contempt or disrespect. Disagreements over ballistic issues are no big whoop. Disrespect is.

I don’t always have the time, energy, or inclination to do so but when I do I try to match the tone shown to me. If people will discuss an issue they’ll get no grief from me; I’m here to learn. When, instead, people don’t address legitimate issues that are brought up in an adult manner and simply reply by saying such a view requires blind faith, or to believe it is to engage in a pissing contest, or is to beat a dead horse, or dig a hole, or whatever, well, why should they be upset when I match their tone?

Discussing an issue like an adult will garner mutual respect. To do otherwise is to deny the other party the dignity of being allowed to engage in and contribute to the discussion. People shouldn’t be surprised to be responded to in kind.

This Zebra was taken with a 338 Federal and 210 grain TSX




Check out the damage done to the heart a hole large enough to stick your fist in




Does anyone realy think that the kill could have be more dramatic with a 9.3 or a 375... Enough is enough and more is generaly just more not nesecarly better...

There is no way to hide the fact that the .375 is a more powerful cartridge.More speed, heavier bullet, larger diameter.
The only place it looses for the 9,3 is in magazine capasity.
The difference in performance will be more notisable at longer ranges, though.
In close quarters, I would rather have 5+1 9,3x62 than 3+1 .375H&H.

The 9,3 x62 can never outperform the .375 H&H, but I would like to present John Taylor a modern 9,3x62 with modern powders and bullets, and have him measure it against the .375 H&H of his time.

Smaller cases will today do what larger case did before. The larger cases will off course also improove, but the Q is, do we need more today than 60 years ago?

If Winchester had made a factory loading of the .375 Whelen back in the 50's, I think it would be very popular all over the world today.
Legal all over, low reciol, large magazine capasity.

This is a great thread!

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:
The difference in performance will be more notisable at longer ranges, though.

I wonder though - according to RWS data for their factory load 293 UNI (TUG) balistics 9,3x62 actually catch up with .375 H&H 300gr bullet velocity and energy performance at further distances (between 200-300m). If this data is to be trusted, 300m velocity and energy derived from it, are truly remarkable and .375 H&H with similar bullet weight (300gr) is put to the test?

9,3x62 RWS TUG 19g

V0=740m/s – E0=5202J
V100=680 m/s – E100=4393J
V200=623m/s – E200=3687J
V300=569m/s – E300=3076J

9,3x62 RWS TUG 293gr

V0=2426fps – E0=3853ft*lbs
V100=2230fps – E100=3254ft*lbs
V200=2043fps – E200=2731ft*lbs
V300=1866fps – E300=2279ft*lbs

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Originally posted by 900 SS:
This is a great thread!

Yes it is......and the .30-06 is a lot better than the skumbag old .308 too!

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My .358 STA beats both with bullets from 185 grains to 310 grains and all faster than .375 H&H. I realize it is not legal in some African for Dangerous Game, when I went for Buffalo I packed a .416 Rem and was better gunned than anyone with the 9.3 or .375 by my standards. Good shooting.

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Originally posted by ALF:
What are we doing here, hunting or sniping at game ?

I wonder myself - many times

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Originally posted by jwp475:

Check out the damage done to the heart with a .338 Federal, a hole large enough to stick your fist in.




Does anyone realy think that the kill could have be more dramatic with a 9.3 or a 375... Enough is enough and more is generaly just more not nesecarly better...

Excellent point.

One could have called in shells from the USS Wisconsin and not have had a deader Zebra!