I am removing the pro point from my Marlin 45/70 and putting it on my Marlin 1894p .44, and am going to mount a scope on my 45/70.

Do you guy's think the VX 1 2-7x33 will perform alright on my 1895 45/70??. The other scope I was considering was the same one I have bought for my impending .585 a leupold 2.5x20 compact. Obviously the 2.5 looks better but I bought that due to it's recoil coping abilities.

Which scope will give better performance on a 45/70??

What scopes do others have on there 45/70's

Regards PC

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[This message has been edited by PC (edited 04-02-2002).]

I don't know what mounts and rings you are going to use, but the scope should hold up with no problems. I have a bunch of these scopes and have swapped them back and forth on some real kickers and never had a problem. - Dan

Consider a Scout Scope. It puts the scope far enough out that recoil cannot cause it to hit your eye, and it's lightning fast for picking up moving targets, and also for transitioning between targets.

I've got a German #4 reticle on mine, and I highly recommend the combination, unless target shooting is your goal. Then perhaps a German #1.

One obvious downside to a Scout Scope is the reduced field of view. However, the use of your other eye for the broad view more than makes up for this, IMHO. It will take a few minutes to get used to this two-eye open system, but it's worth the trouble.

Another, larger problem is that you are limited to the 2.5 power magnification of the two scopes that are available (Leupold and Burris, as I recall). This is probably not an issue on a .45-70, as you probably won't be taking really long shots.

As you can tell, I'm sold on the combination. BTW, I use the Ashley Outdoors scout mount and Warne QD rings on my Marlin.

Pertinax

PC, if you can get it, I would put a Luepold Veri-X II 1.5-4x20 with a heavy reticle. It will do anything the 45-70 is capable of, and the scope will handle far more recoil than a 45-70 can generate. Anything, from Leupold, you put on the rifle will give you good service, as far as recoil goes, but the short, 20mm tubes and low of 1.5 power, on the bottom, and a 4 power on top is all that is needed on a 45-70!

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I had a Leupold 2-7 on my marlin 1895 45-70. It was mounted in the regular position, but as far forward as the rings would allow. I shot 3 deer with it, and twice the scope cracked open my forehead.

500 grains what do you put that down to??, I have the 2-7 on my .416 Rigby and it has not wacked me yet seems to have enough eye releif.

I know the 2-7 will handle the recoil of a 45/70 no drama's just wanting to know the best scope for this rifle. Keep the suggestions coming.

Regards PC

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I did alot of research and decided to install an AO Site Systems scout scope mount with Leupold 2.5X intermediate eye relief scope on my Marlin 1895 Guide Gun. In a word it is awesome! It allows for a great site picture with both eyes open for closeup work and provides enough magnification for very easy shots on game out to about 200 yards. The scope and mount have shown no signs of stress after shooting heavy hand loads. I was also worried about spoiling the looks and handling of the gun by putting a scope on it, but it handles and looks great. Hope that helps. Good Shooting!

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"If it ain't a 45/70, it's just a passing fad"

pc

The problem is stock design. The marlin has too much muzzle jump.

Gentlemen once again your help has been great. Here is what I have decided to do, for what I use my 45/70 for I do not beleive I need more than 2.5x (running hogs & roos). This scope will still provide for more accurate shot placement than a red dot sight out to the useful range of a 45/70 which is probably 150 yards. The forward mounting systym would work out to be over my budget but shark bait you have convinced me that 2.5 magnification will suffice. And 500 grains I agree with you the longer 2-7 could brain you. The 2.5 compact will be a very neat looking scope and not look to bulky on the slim 45/70.

So I phoned up this morning and ordered a second 2.5 compact.

Thanks again folks.

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PC:

The 2.5 Compact will probably do fine, but be aware that it's eye relief is LESS than the 2-7 VX. It may be that you are able to mount it further forward -- it's not clear from the exchange whether this is an optical eye relief problem or a physical problem with being able to mount the scope far enough forward.

How does the VX 1 2-7x33 rate against the "old" Vari 111 scopes?? Does it have same multicoated lens and click adjustments as the Vari 111 range or is it more akinto the cheaper Vari 11 scopes?

thanks,

Peter

Stone creek I looked the eye releif figures up, and for the 2.5 compact it is 4.9" and for the VX-1 2-7 it is 4.2" (according to there website) I do not intend to be argumentitive Stonecreek . That is one reason I chose it and the fact it sits much more forward, forward enough that the eye piece end does not sit over the top of the hammer. I mounted the one on my 45/70 that I bought for my .585 Nyatti as that will be probably be another couple of months. It really suits my 45/70 better than the 2-7 would to I think.

I am really hoping I will get some better groups from this rifle than the tasco pro-point produced.

Regards PC

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Pete E, I reckon the V-X 1 scopes are just the old model VariX11 scopes re-badged. I reckon there a good buy.

Regards PC.

P.S. I heard they were going to move production of there VX-1 and Vari X11 scopes to Asia, this would be a tradegy.

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PC: I stand corrected on the spec eye relief. I have both models, and the 2.5 compact certainly SEEMS to have shorter eye relief than the 2-7X. This may be a result of one of two things. The specs may have changed since my scopes were produced, or the more critical eye alignment and narrower field of view on the little 2.5 may make the eye relief seem shorter. At any rate, your eye relief will probably be suitable with either if you can physically mount it far enough forward.

Also, as far as I can ascertain, the new VX-I is identical to the old Vari-X II (single-coat lenses, friction adjustments). The only difference appears that if you want a matte finish, which is becoming increasingly popular, you're going to have to pay a hefty bonus to get the VX-II. I have to assume that alot of the components of the current production are imported from Asia, but I agree that quality would surely suffer if the actual assembly and quality control moved out of the U.S.

Stone creek, just looking for your opinion here, if you were to mount one of these 2 scopes a 2-7 or 2.5 compact on your 45/70 which one would you have opted for and why??

Regards PC.

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