Does anyone know? I have heard different rumors but it was brought to my attention again when I saw an action for sale in the classifieds. I tried to buy a couple falling blocks from them a few years ago but apparently it was when things were falling apart.

Matthew

search this forum, they ripped off some members and i believe are out of business.

Here is all the information one could ever need on that scumbag thief Greg Hein:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1043/m/723108618/p/1

Thanks,

Matthew

i doubt he's been run down by the local LEOs at this point although they were looking for him weren't they?

Made off with a 1,000 dollars of my hard earned cash. Although I feel lucky. Lots of other guys lost alot more! Glad I just shelled out 1/3. The good Lord was looking out for me that day. I usually pay all up front, or at least 1/2... Still I'd like to kick Greg in the nuts--just because he would not respond to a e-mail or call. If you fail..own up to it... I would have had alot more respect for him.. Oh well got my 505 lefty anyway... Wayne at AHR did me up right!


Ed
Ed

That link about says it all, but I'll expound on it. Both me and Howard spent the money and filed suit against the POS. Won a judgment that he agreed with signed it then promptly ignored it. The judge issued a supoena (sp?) and oredered him back to court and he ignoired that. A Civil Bench Warrant was issued for his arrest and that was that. Since it is a civil warrant, the cops don't pursued them unless they detain him for something else.

I even called the local sheriff and he told me he would not enforce it. He owes me about seven grand total when I was still on active duty and deployed, and I'll make the same offer again; Anybody who collect can keep half the money. He's a crook a liar and even worse there were a few jerks here that actually stood up for the guy. I'm serious about the offer. I just want to see him in jail and his family living under a bridge. jorge

He got nearly 4k from me.

Don't know the specifics or amount, but I do know he screwed Hill Country Rifles too.

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I'm serious about the offer. I just want to see him in jail and his family living under a bridge. jorge

Now that's honesty.

I like your style.

Wish I could help.

Jorge, I would ring the Sheriff again. He maybe new and or have a change of heart.

I call them about twice a year. I'll call soon and report back.

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He's a crook a liar and even worse there were a few jerks here that actually stood up for the guy.

Jorge,

That is standard operating procedure on AR.

Yep, sad but true!

how do bounty hunters operate? would they take the guy in for a fee?

I'm surprised it was just civil, I figured something like this would be criminal.

Red

There are enough of us here on AR to constitute deliberate crminal fraud by that POS Hein, but getting everybody to devote the time and energy frankly is not worth it in the eyes of many I'm thinking. Me, I'm just a vindictive SOB and all I want is his soul and like I said, his family living under a bridge... jorge

I don't know about his family man. They have suffered enough just having to live under the same roof.

Him, I got no problem with him in the crossbar hotel. Think about all the new friends he'd make...

Rich

I'd been in, but i dont know if I even still have my paperwork. That was Jan of 2006. I saw he desolved the LLC in 2009. My Lawyer told me I'd spend more than my 1,000 to go after him. I just hope I run into him one day!

Oh I think it was Carlosthejackal that said I'd get my stuff and Greg was good for it...well still waiting and his company is is no more...glad you got your stuff!!!!

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I don't know about his family man. They have suffered enough just having to live under the same roof.

Him, I got no problem with him in the crossbar hotel. Think about all the new friends he'd make...

Rich

+1 Well said.

If this possible fraud crossed state lines (which apparently it did), I would think this would be a federal matter. Has anyone contacted the FBI?

I obviously hadn't read through the original thread before I posted this.
My best wishes are with every one of Mr. Hein's victims.

Another drama thread. The guy would still be in business if he had a business or the funding to operate yes?? Going after him assumes there's something to get. Save your efforts for when the feds allow states to go bankrupt and then grab your 401k and then default on military pensions and then SS. My advice regarding deposits - don't offer em and don't take em. If a few grand is that much money to lose then you probably shouldn't be in the market for that caliber of toy. Buy something off the shelf and be happy.

This is one time where, as a Brit, I have to be thankful for our "gun control" laws! Why?

Similar situation happened to me in UK. Delivered an expensive double shotgun to a "gunsmith" to be worked on. Paying a sum "up front" for the materials needed.

Six months pass, a year, two years. Each time I 'phone or visit it is "just ready" or they are "waiting for some special curved files" (yes, really).

When I asked to see the gun? It "was in the other workshop". In the end after OVER two years I had enough.

I 'phoned his local police and said that either he had the gun and I wanted it back or he had lost the gun or had the gun stolen or had sold it and in which case they needed to investigate.

FOUR DAYS LATER the police called me back. The work was done, the gun was ready, there would be no additional charge from the "gunsmith" and I could collect it that same week.

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:
This is one time where, as a Brit, I have to be thankful for our "gun control" laws! Why?

Similar situation happened to me in UK. Delivered an expensive double shotgun to a "gunsmith" to be worked on. Paying a sum "up front" for the materials needed.

Six months pass, a year, two years. Each time I 'phone or visit it is "just ready" or they are "waiting for some special curved files" (yes, really).

When I asked to see the gun? It "was in the other workshop". In the end after OVER two years I had enough.

I 'phoned his local police and said that either he had the gun and I wanted it back or he had lost the gun or had the gun stolen or had sold it and in which case they needed to investigate.

FOUR DAYS LATER the police called me back. The work was done, the gun was ready, there would be no additional charge from the "gunsmith" and I could collect it that same week.

Same scenario works here without the Bolshevik "gun laws". If local LE have the time or interest they'll make it tough for a "slacker" assuming there's any impropriety.

I'll gladly take the loss and keep my Second Amendment rights intact... jorge

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Another drama thread. The guy would still be in business if he had a business or the funding to operate yes?? Going after him assumes there's something to get. Save your efforts for when the feds allow states to go bankrupt and then grab your 401k and then default on military pensions and then SS. My advice regarding deposits - don't offer em and don't take em. If a few grand is that much money to lose then you probably shouldn't be in the market for that caliber of toy. Buy something off the shelf and be happy.

Well give me 4-5 grand, I'll invest it for you and don't whine if you don't get it back.

Save your efforts for when the feds allow states to 401K bla bla etc etc

Also if you are burgled, don't report it. If you can't afford to lose 4-5 grand worth of TV/DVD/valuables you shouldn't have those toys in the first place...

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Originally posted by Karl:

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Another drama thread. The guy would still be in business if he had a business or the funding to operate yes?? Going after him assumes there's something to get. Save your efforts for when the feds allow states to go bankrupt and then grab your 401k and then default on military pensions and then SS. My advice regarding deposits - don't offer em and don't take em. If a few grand is that much money to lose then you probably shouldn't be in the market for that caliber of toy. Buy something off the shelf and be happy.

Well give me 4-5 grand, I'll invest it for you and don't whine if you don't get it back.

Save your efforts for when the feds allow states to 401K bla bla etc etc

Also if you are burgled, don't report it. If you can't afford to lose 4-5 grand worth of TV/DVD/valuables you shouldn't have those toys in the first place...

Anyone who tries to bugluh me hoos won't be met with a expensive vaporware action ... besides, my 325 lb dog is especially adept at intercepting uninvited Aussies at the door.

I never was a law enforcement officer, but I was a police dispatcher for 27 years. So a few things did rub off. However, none of this is legal advice, just my opinion based on what I've picked up over the years.

If you don't mind my asking, have criminal charges been filed on Mr. Hein? By that I don't mean a bench warrant for FTA on a civil matter, but criminal charges for the fraud. Fraud is pretty clearly the main legal matter we're dealing with here. Interstate fraud at that, because it has crossed state lines. In other words, this would be a federal matter, one for postal authorities or even the FBI to deal with. Federal criminal charges would accomplish several things: It could nail Mr. Hein down so that he couldn't leave the country, and it would also keep him in place so that civil proceedings could be commenced. I'm not 100% on this, but it might also prevent him from buying a gun and cancel his FFL.

If he failed to appear on the criminal charges, that is a huge no-no as far as law enforcement is concerned. Especially if the criminal charges might be federal. I have no doubt that this would be sufficient to arrest him in any state or territory of the US, and possibly some other countries as well. Frankly, most police departments outside of that sheriff's office in Washington state likely wouldn't go near an FTA on a civil matter. Criminal charge(s) would be an entirely different matter! Of course, this in itself wouldn't be sufficient to get anyone's money or property back, but it would certainly be a start.

I just thought I'd share this because this case really chaffs my hide. I don't even know any of you, but I want to see justice served.

I called the State Attorney's Office and frankly, they couldn't be bothered. Also, even if I drag him off to jail it would entail me spending more money and in the end, I'm still out the seven grand or more. He won, I lost. jorge

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Originally posted by Macifej:


Anyone who tries to bugluh me hoos won't be met with a expensive vaporware action ... besides, my 325 lb dog is especially adept at intercepting uninvited Aussies at the door.

Is that any way to talk about your wife?

Jorge, please don't give up yet!
I don't really see how criminal charges would cost the complainant or complainants anything, and this is definitely a criminal case. This is also a federal case which (I assume) might involve either postal authorities or the FBI. I would see what these agencies had to say before I threw in the towel completely. And not just you, but the others involved also.

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Jorge, please don't give up yet!
I don't really see how criminal charges would cost the complainant or complainants anything, and this is definitely a criminal case. This is also a federal case which (I assume) might involve either postal authorities or the FBI. I would see what these agencies had to say before I threw in the towel completely. And not just you, but the others involved also.

That would be true if he didnt file for bankruptcy before suits had been filed.If he did you go on a list of those he is in debt to and the waiting game of getting paid begins.

If I understand correctly, the complainants in the civil cases would be merely witnesses in a criminal case like this. They wouldn't be bringing the charges directly. The plaintiff in this case would be the US government in the form of the postal service, FBI, etc. That is, if I understand correctly.

The warrant is a Failure to appear not a felony in a civil matter no criminal charges have been filed. Except the FAILURE TO APPEAR he ran a company and it folded that's the run down he filed bankruptcy before a case could even be formed for fraud so there for its a civil matter

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The warrant is a Failure to appear not a felony in a civil matter no criminal charges have been filed. Except the FAILURE TO APPEAR he ran a company and it folded that's the run down he filed bankruptcy before a case could even be formed for fraud so there for its a civil matter

Yessir, I understood that. But what he did was defraud a certain number of people of apparently quite a large amount of money. That is a felony, like major theft, robbery, etc. It's a major criminal offense. IMO this is the direction the case needed to go to begin with, and then the civil matters, the suits, would follow. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I do understand that the primary concern of all of you is the recovery of your money. That's the way I feel too because it's only right.

Glenn,

You have to prove fraud for there to be a crime. As Jorge said, that would cost some money, a lot more than what Jorge and the other guys lost. If this is a simple case of a guy whose biz went sideways then you're not likely to get a fraud case heard. Half the country has/is going tits up lately. Try getting your car serviced at a Pontiac or Saturn store, etc. Like any other biz transaction in life, we take some risks. Unfortunately for Jorge and the rest, this gig turned to shit.

To be charged with fraud it has to be shown that is you intent.But when some product was going out etc kind of hard to prove..

He has never filed for bankruptcy.

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He has never filed for bankruptcy.

Then he simply went out of business and you go on a list of debtors.

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Glenn,

You have to prove fraud for there to be a crime. As Jorge said, that would cost some money, a lot more than what Jorge and the other guys lost. If this is a simple case of a guy whose biz went sideways then you're not likely to get a fraud case heard. Half the country has/is going tits up lately. Try getting your car serviced at a Pontiac or Saturn store, etc. Like any other biz transaction in life, we take some risks. Unfortunately for Jorge and the rest, this gig turned to shit.

But if you reported it to the appropriate law enforcement agency, like the postal service inspectors in case of mail fraud, it would be up to that agency to investigate and to prove intent. The complainant is simply the reporting person, not the one who files the charges. In this case, it would be the federal government.

If anyone needs it, here is where you can report mail fraud online:

https://postalinspectors.uspis...lFraudComplaint.aspx

You do understand this has been done already this is not something that just happened I believe this is going on what 5 years now maybe longer

No, I didn't realize that any reports to Federal law enforcement agencies had been done already. I must have missed that when I read the original thread. Sorry it didn't get anywhere. I didn't mean to mislead anybody.

I wish everyone the best and I'll be watching the thread to see how it turns out.