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I heard that the Vanguard II is being chambered in the 375 H&H this year. Has anyone seen one of these? What are they like? | ||
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Have no clue I know they stretch the action to handle the 300WBY. Can they make room for the H&H? The 300 Wby is the longest I've seen. then again haven't seen a II As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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I am having enough problems with my Howa 1500 in 30-06, that I am done entertaining the thought of the 375 in a Howa/Vanguard. The rifle can be accurate, and ejects and feeds fine. I just don't like the bolt stop. Someone else had said this to me and it kind of shit the pot. I started messing with my rifle, and now it is on consignment down at the local fly and bullet shop. Wasn't super accurate, didn't care for the barrel length, could probably bitch about more. A nice rifle, but I want more and am willing to spend more to get it. Nothing wrong with them, just have different taste now. | |||
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I have voiced my displeasure with the bolt stop on the Vanguards/Howas many of times and I do not believe the current way the bolt stop is setup makes it a good candidate for a dangerous game rifle. The bolt stop is held to the action via a rather tiny screw. Now, I have broken that screw before by working the bolt "vigorously" while at the shooting range. When I talked to the rep at Howa I was told, "it's not a battle rifle" (his words verbatim) and that I shouldn't be working the bolt the way I do (i.e. pulling it back until it hits the bolt stop, then pushing it forward). My rifle is a 30-06 and sits in the safe. I wont ditch it, because it's the first rifle I ever bought, but it doesn't get out much now due to lost confidence. Bolts coming out while you cycle a round isn't a good feeling at the range. I would bet it is an even worse feeling while a cape buffalo or grizzly bear is running at you. A 375 H&H is a "battle rifle" and since the rep at Howa says the Howa (aka Vanguard) is not a "battle rifle," then I wouldn't want to try my luck with one. My $0.02 ____________________________ If you died tomorrow, what would you have done today ... 2018 Zimbabwe - Tuskless w/ Nengasha Safaris 2011 Mozambique - Buffalo w/ Mashambanzou Safaris | |||
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I am blaming you by name! Thanks! I agree, Ruger on the other hand calls theirs an Alaskan guide gun. | |||
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Ahhhhh, the sweet sound of practical intelligence!!!! If a rifle can't take some honest range time then it sure nuff won't take years of hard work. After somewhere around 4,000 rounds shot thru the action on my 458 . Stainless Ruger that started life as a 338 . It still works great. Seriously considering putting a 416 Ruger barrel on it. The lugs haven't set back, everything still works fine. I bought it the first year they were available in Alaska. And believe me it has had a hard life until 2008 . Imo the stainless Ruger action is more trouble free than a 98 Mauser. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Yep! Whatcha gonna do, it is consigned at the gunshop right now. Maybe someone will need it. | |||
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This is an interesting conversation. I have a 460 Weatherby/Howa. I don't hunt with it, strictly a big kid's toy. I love it. I'll admit the bolt stop doesn't look real beefy. It obviously isn't a controlled a controlled-round-feed action either but it is regarded as a "Dangerous Game Rifle", I think. If there were many failures in the field with the bolt-stop, push-feed or anything else, wouldn't this be circulating all over the place? I am very interested in people's opinions in this forum with regards to Weatherbys or anything else shooting related. | |||
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Don't get me wrong, my Howa shoots very well and feeds very well, it just has a bolt release screw the strength of a toothpick. If the Howa/Vanguard had a thick bolt release screw or a M98 style system, I would happily hunt elephant with one. It's a rifle for crying out loud, small explosions happen in it, the bolt release should be able to withstand cycling rounds at the range. I thought a good solution to the problem would be a side bolt release as seen on the Nosler rifles (customized Howa actions) or the ones seen put onto custom Remington 700's and 700 clones. Talking to a gunsmith about it, sounds like those break too. Aside from the bolt release screw, I have no qualms with the Howa/Vanguard design. ____________________________ If you died tomorrow, what would you have done today ... 2018 Zimbabwe - Tuskless w/ Nengasha Safaris 2011 Mozambique - Buffalo w/ Mashambanzou Safaris | |||
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Huumm remind me not to hunt DG with you. Aftter the trouble I have had with M77 I would not touch them for DG. To be any where near as reliable as a Mauser 98 they need the guide rib on top of the bolt. My bolt keeps jaming up on push and pull, to much lateral movement in the bolt. | |||
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Ok. No Problem!!! Having put several 98 Mausers thru the wringer. I stand by what I said. If you can't figure out how to run a Ruger then you should avoid them like the plague.  . More for me  All you need to do is pull straight back and push straight forward. Even W.D.M. Bell found the 98 Mauser to be lacking in reliability when subjected to harsh conditions and preferred the SMLE Enfield for reliable cycling when elephant hunting. Now I'm not saying the Mauser is not a great action. It is. Course I prefer the P14 or P17 Enfield.  Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Yep, the best and most trouble free rifle I have used is the SMLE and prefer the P14/M17 to the M98. I always have some sideways pressure on the bolt and the Rugers are the only ones I have problems with. Still think the 98 has it over the Ruger except for strenght of action and bolt. Hard to beat the rugers in this area. I do pull the bolt straight back and forward | |||
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A good mod for a Howa would be to mill a larger bolt stop, hold it in with two 8-40 screws and/or silver solder it in place (make a shoulder for it before silver soldering).  | |||
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