I am looking at a Win post 64 model 70,in 375 H&H. It has the guide on the bolt, so it is not one of the real early post 64's w/o the guide on the bolt. it is a real smooth rifle, and the stock fits well.

my concern is the extractor system on the post 64 rifles. has anyone figuired out how to beef up this system to 100% reliability, like going to a sako system, ie-rem700 fix. that seems to be the weak spot on these rifles, from what I have read about them.

Are these rifles holding up for the guys, that use them.

Thanks,Bill

The Winchester you speak of is referred to as a "classic" (I think, pretty sure anyways thats what mine say on them). It has the claw extractor like the pre-64 but is modern production. I've never heard of problems with the claw extractor on any Win rifles but you might check with others on this. I'd say buy it and shoot the hell out of it. Don't worry about a problem that isn't a problem.
Good luck with yours

I've used pre 64s, m70 push feeds and classics extensively and never had an extraction problem. I don't know how to improve on that.

No, this one is the post 64, with the extractor in the face of the bolt. The guide I was referring to is the "anti-bind" slot they added to the bolts.

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Originally posted by willy30:
No, this one is the post 64, with the extractor in the face of the bolt. The guide I was referring to is the "anti-bind" slot they added to the bolts.

Sounds like you are looking at a push feed post 64 model 70 action in 375.....I have dealt with the same action and rim size in 300 Winchester and the shorter version in converting a 308 to 6.5x284. These actions are reliable and accurate if the action is properly trued with both lugs lapped in. Pillar bedding and free floating the barrel is also required for best accuracy.

I've never experienced any extraction problems however, most of my use has been in cool temperatures. I've never heard of anyone altering the extractor, so I would assume extraction has not been an issue.

I've got 4 M70's that are pre 1964 and they are smooth & reliable (none in 375). I also own 2 of the "push feed" M70's (one is a 375 h&h) both are smooth & reliable.

The only time I get jams/misfeeds are clearly "operator" errror, meaning my fault, short stroke.

IMHO one of the great advantages of the M70 (before FN) is the simple reliable fool proof trigger. Minimum parts that are temperature indifferent. My hunting rifles are at 3#-4#. Clean crisp.

I feel many other companies triggers are too complicated are sensitive to temperature/dirt/lubricant. Sure some are crisp as breaking glass and might help you get 1/4" tigher group, 1/4" ain't gonna matter in the field. I like the open design, easy to clean and does not allow oil/dirt to accumulate like in the tightly designed bodies of many triggers.

Many copy the M70 safety. There is a reason why, it works well.

So the Post 64s don't have control round feed, they still have 2 superior designs going for them.

Pete A.

I have 2 of these push feed M70's made in the early 1970's in 458 and had one in 375. I put 1000 rounds or so through the 375 before I sold it to buy something else but never had had any problem. My two 458's have functioned well with the only jams happening with some 450gr cast bullets with a huge meplat that hung up in the front of the magazine. I have never had an extraction issue of any kind.

Matthew

I have one in .458 and it has never given me any problems. It is also the most accurate .458 I have owned. As for strength and reliablity, and not wanting to get flamed here, but if you look at pics of Finn Aagaard during the end of his career he carried a push feed M-70 .458. I will let you make the decision to whether they were considered reliable or not.

The CRF type of extractor may give you a margin of error but if you are that close to extraction problems you have no right using that load in that firearm. My 375 is CRF but I never push the loading envelope to a point where extration is a problem anyway. I also have a Rem 700 in 300RUM with its puny little fingernail extractor that I am pushing bullets 300fps faster than the loading manual says I should and guess what? No extraction problems!
As stated above, I've seen 10 times more problems with short stroking a bolt while hunting than extraction. JMHO Bring on the flames!

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Originally posted by Blacktailer:
...I am pushing bullets 300fps faster than the loading manual says I should and guess what? No extraction problems!

Zowie! Over the last 39 years I've taken a few reloading manual MAX loads with a grain of salt. Usually something like the '06 Springfield or 35 Whelen which I feel can be loaded to the same pressure as the 270 Winchester in modern, strong turnbolt rifles. But going that far over with the 300RUM is the whole salt shed.

I used to shoot NRA highpower competition with a pair of push feed model 70s, one in .308 and one in .30-06. This coarse of fire is about half rapid fire. In well over 15,000 rounds of ammo through the two guns, I never had an extraction problem. A few hickups with operator error though!

Thank you everyone. it seems experience with these rifles are very good. I am used to the mauser type rifle, and have never handled one of the winchester post 64's. I like everything else about the rifle,the stock fit, bedding, and trigger, along with the safety. The extractor just seems small. but looking back, I have had a few problems in the past with some mausers, with the CRF, so nothing is perfect.
I think I will give it a go.

Thank you, Bill

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by Blacktailer:
...I am pushing bullets 300fps faster than the loading manual says I should and guess what? No extraction problems!

Zowie! Over the last 39 years I've taken a few reloading manual MAX loads with a grain of salt. Usually something like the '06 Springfield or 35 Whelen which I feel can be loaded to the same pressure as the 270 Winchester in modern, strong turnbolt rifles. But going that far over with the 300RUM is the whole salt shed.

OF2,
I know that sounds insane and I usually don't try to exceed any manual specs. It just so happens that when I got this rifle and was working up my elk load for it that the current Barnes manual was not yet out and I didn't have load data. I had another manual ( can't remember if it was Nosler or Hornady) and began working up loads for the Bazrnes TSX. Got to an accurate load with no pressure signs for a 180gr TSX that chronos at 3400fps. When I did get the current Barnes manual, it says I am a couple grains over their max with RL25 and 300fps faster. Oh well, it works in my rifle but I certainly don't condone going cowboy with any load.

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Originally posted by willy30:
Thank you everyone. it seems experience with these rifles are very good. I am used to the mauser type rifle, and have never handled one of the winchester post 64's. I like everything else about the rifle,the stock fit, bedding, and trigger, along with the safety. The extractor just seems small. but looking back, I have had a few problems in the past with some mausers, with the CRF, so nothing is perfect.
I think I will give it a go.

Thank you, Bill

I have used a lot of the M70s from 1970s and they were very good. I think they were called XTR and a Wby like stock including angled forend tip.

And don't let the look of that extractor fool you. if look closely at a CRF extractor you will see that only part of it grabs the case rim.

This one is for sale in Australia for $1695AUS, about $1500US. When the new FN made m70 375s arrive they will be about $2000AUS

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